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post #721 of 876
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

The Audio-GD in general (not just the PCM1704) have a sound that is bigger and further back a few rows compared to the competition. This is an aspect that I really like with headphones because it helps to get the sound out of the head.

 

With speakers, you probably would like the sound direction to go the other way: more forward, closer to you. Think of what the result in the headphones would be? The sound is in your head.

 

For speaker listening I preferred the Chord QuteHD because it is livelier and more upfront. It's not bad at all with headphones because it has a very good depth in the sound, but the NFB-27 (and now SA-2) pushed the sound fews rows back in depth and the singer would not be that close to my head anymore, for a better overall viewing.

 

IMO, the headphone amp section should do this "pushing back/forward the sound", so that one can use the same DAC in both headphone and speaker setups without the aforementioned consequences.


Are you including the their Sabre32 DAC's in that?

 

I find my NFB-7 to be anything but laid back or distant. Just the way I like it  :D

post #722 of 876

I am in the process of finding a great amp for my current HE-500 and possible HE-6 in the future. The usual suspects in the tube realm- WA6SE, Taboo MkIII and then I saw this thread and am looking into SS amps now as well. Is the Master 9 more than I would need... Precision 1 too little? Anyone with either headphone using an Audio-gd amp?

Thanks

post #723 of 876
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post
 


Are you including the their Sabre32 DAC's in that?

 

I find my NFB-7 to be anything but laid back or distant. Just the way I like it  :D

 

Yes, the NFB-27 was explosive (dynamics) in its sound, just how I like it too! But, the sound stage was still pushed-back compared to, say, the Chord or the Ciunas.

It's not distant in the sense laid back, it's really a physical thing: you're further from the performers, yet you can still feel the grip and attacks as if you where next to them.

 

I'm thinking of returning the SA-2 and get the NFB-27 back, actually. Still debating...

post #724 of 876
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Originally Posted by jamc View Post
 

I am in the process of finding a great amp for my current HE-500 and possible HE-6 in the future. The usual suspects in the tube realm- WA6SE, Taboo MkIII and then I saw this thread and am looking into SS amps now as well. Is the Master 9 more than I would need... Precision 1 too little? Anyone with either headphone using an Audio-gd amp?

Thanks

 

If you are looking for an amp with a future purchase of the HE-6 in mind I am afraid you need to rule out the Woo6se and Taboo, neither has enough power.

The Precision does look interesting and will definitely have enough power.

post #725 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

How do you intend to connect the DAC. This important. USB. / coax/ i2s ?

I had been using a JKenny Mk3 SPDIF in my old Lite DAC-83 system, but I sold all of it off when I moved a few months ago. 

 

I thought I had read much earlier in this thread that Kingwa's new USB32 was a great step up and more or less eliminated the need for a great SPDIF convertor like the old REF 7 or 7.1 needed. I was very happy to hear that and also read the same thing about the PWD mkII. Has that opinion changed now about the Master7? I really hope it hasn't, I hated having to play the "what's the best sounding and most compatible" SPDIF game.

 

As long as the USB32 on the M7 or the USB on the PWD can handle Integer Mode from my specialized and modified ComputerAudiophile C.A.P.S v3 Zuma server, I'll be supplying the DAC via clean powerd USB 3.0. 

 

If I have to go back to SPDIF I would either get a Jkenny Ciúnas or cry and then hope SWMBO didn't murder me when I tried to get a Berkeley Alpha USB. I cannot justify the funds in going to the EA-OR5, so unless there's another great and affordable i2s convertor out there, I don't think that's option is there for me. I would like to avoid this additional stage if you believe I can get great sound via USB input. 

post #726 of 876
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

The Audio-GD in general (not just the PCM1704) have a sound that is bigger and further back a few rows compared to the competition. This is an aspect that I really like with headphones because it helps to get the sound out of the head.

 

With speakers, you probably would like the sound direction to go the other way: more forward, closer to you. Think of what the result in the headphones would be? The sound is in your head.

 

For speaker listening I preferred the Chord QuteHD because it is livelier and more upfront. It's not bad at all with headphones because it has a very good depth in the sound, but the NFB-27 (and now SA-2) pushed the sound fews rows back in depth and the singer would not be that close to my head anymore, for a better overall viewing.

 

IMO, the headphone amp section should do this "pushing back/forward the sound", so that one can use the same DAC in both headphone and speaker setups without the aforementioned consequences.

Fantastic explanation of their differences, Clemmater. That makes a very good point and a much more defined variable for me to consider when thinking about getting the M7 vs. PWD mkii. Or other contender DACs.

post #727 of 876
I think Clem said it great too. I can add this to it. The pwd mkii is best sounding with the bridge or hdmi i2s. Input
The USB is not as clean as the others. But the difference in the DAC is still as Clem says
Now I can also say if the music you listen to is high quality. The the pdwmkii is ok.
But the M7 is a little more easy on the ears with less than high quality. I think Clem will agree
With me in this. And one more thing to consider is cost. At 4k for just a DAC
You can get both the M7/M9 combo. And have ACSS connection between them
And have a preamp and great headphone amp too. $$$ wise is just make sense

Al D
post #728 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I think Clem said it great too. I can add this to it. The pwd mkii is best sounding with the bridge or hdmi i2s. Input
The USB is not as clean as the others. But the difference in the DAC is still as Clem says
Now I can also say if the music you listen to is high quality. The the pdwmkii is ok.
But the M7 is a little more easy on the ears with less than high quality. I think Clem will agree
With me in this. And one more thing to consider is cost. At 4k for just a DAC
You can get both the M7/M9 combo. And have ACSS connection between them
And have a preamp and great headphone amp too. $$$ wise is just make sense

Al D

 

Prep could chime in because he used to own both the M7 and PWD2. I never heard either.

I was just making a general statement on my experience with many Audio-GD DAC which all had this "pushed-back" feeling that works great with headphones.

 

From what I read, the PWD has a more frontal kind of sound. I know Darryl liked it a lot with his HE-6, so either he is not bothered by the forward sound like I am, or the First Watt F1J does the pushing back thing instead.

post #729 of 876
Clem I have them both it is as your say. The audio GD m7. Is a brilliant DAC
But it has not pre amp function and I think is a little wore forgiving over all.
But it is my faverite DAC in all. The pwdmkii is great on speakers and in fact is tuned
With speakers in mind Paul does not like headphones and has infinity IRS 5
Speakers. I have them too it is an extreme detail oriented system. I have tried the M7
On them and you are a little back. So the image suffers a littlle. But the pwdmkii
Is front row center the stage is wide and the detail is fine too. I think for headphones it's bit much
Not for me and I like analytical and all the detail I can get. The M7 is sweeter
And the pwdmkii is colder.
The only drawback is preamp and the input on the pwdmkii. To be up close you need the better input
Makes bass tighter.
One last thing the pwdmkii is a work in progress with changing fiirm wares
The m7 ur done when you load the USB drivers
post #730 of 876
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Originally Posted by jamc View Post
 

I am in the process of finding a great amp for my current HE-500 and possible HE-6 in the future. The usual suspects in the tube realm- WA6SE, Taboo MkIII and then I saw this thread and am looking into SS amps now as well. Is the Master 9 more than I would need... Precision 1 too little? Anyone with either headphone using an Audio-gd amp?

Thanks


I have HE-6 and use it with Master 6 (which is roughly a Master 9 in high power mode) and Burson Soloist. I also have a tube amp, that I use with HE-6: the Leben CS300.

 

If I was to keep just one amp, I would without a doubt keep the Audio-gd.


If you have ever heard an Audeze LCD-2 / LCD-3 / LCD-X, and then listen to HE-6 with a tube amp you'll for sure think that in terms of hard hitting bass, you lost quite a bit compared to the Audeze headphone. Now, if you then hook up the HE-6 to a good, powerful solid state amp, you will hear that the bass tightens up and gets more hard hitting - not like an Audeze, but better.

 

So, if you primarily listen to softer genres and prefer a spacious sound with silky smooth mids and treble over a robust, powerful bass, then go for a top quality tube amp.

post #731 of 876
I agree the guys stuff is first rate . I am sure there is better but not much at what cost. I wish he made a electrostatic amp wow how much I could have saved.

I have amps almost 4 times the price yes they are very good . But not that much and if there is a change who knows what is better. I am trying to fined a reason to buy the M9. .

Al d
post #732 of 876
As for dacs and there sounds they do sound very different but for me I have to compare them to explain the change in good detail. As for the mytek my fave when used with the pre it is dull unpolished back seat . You do not need to do an A/B test to hear it. But bypassed it is a very good dac. Food for thought if I use the off ramp 5 with the dacs I have mentioned they are all very close in sound only by A/B ing could I say what the change is. Now I just bought a new dac and when it is setup correctly I want to see how it compared to the others with speakers and headphones .

I hope this helps .
post #733 of 876

My new Master-9 arrived today, it sounds amazing even without running-in.

 

My system: Weiss DAC2 ------ Master-9 ------ HD800, all connected with XLR cable. DAC output level: +17dBu, Master-9 running in Low Gain.

 

I can hear a very big improvement compared to my previous Luxman DA-200.

 

This configuration sounds extremely spacious and transparent, with high sound density and good texture. Lots of details, but nothing to do with "clinical". On the contrary, it sounds smooth and musical. Imaging is very small and very precise.

 

The problem of this configuration is that the treble can be sparkling and aggressive  in some bad recorded tracks. Need more adjustment of cables, and need more running-in, of course.

 

In one word, I am in love with Master-9.

post #734 of 876
Did you do the Anaxilus mod on your HD800? If not, I would expect the treble issue to be caused by the headphone, not the rest of the chain.
post #735 of 876
You know I did not do the mod as not amps bring that out on the hd800. As the hdvd800 is great with the hd800. It is a tad more bright than With the M8
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