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Originally Posted by lmswjm View Post



 


As expected, The Phoenix and Master 6 power these phones effortlessly. The LCD3's have unsurpassed bass response. The best I have heard for quality, quantity, speed and detail. Definitely reference. They sound to me just like the FR graph shows, solid bass and mids with highs that are just on the south side of neutral with full details etc. I thought these would be perfect for me, because I am a bass head at heart. However, I'd like a little more out of the highs to match the rest of the frequencies. To me it's a little too much bass tilted.

 

What was worse was the pressure on my ear canals. The ear pads created the greatest air-tight seal around my ears I've have ever experienced. I would actually put the phones on, and have to stick my fingers underneath the pads to break the seal. Even then there was still positive pressure on the ear canals. This coupled with the heavy weight of the phones made me too uncomfortable to listen to for long periods. I had read that one head-fier experienced a bout of tinnitus after repeated, long listening sessions and I definitely could see that. However another head-fier acknowledged the pressure, but for him it was more akin to custom IEM's. I can't stand those either though.

 

To summarize I'd say that the sound wasn't worth enduring the lack of comfort associated with them. They are beautiful phones though.

 

It is possible that they could be the holy grail for some, but I would recommend that they be auditioned in a non-commitment type environment first, especially considering the expense.

 

One more point to add is that from what I have read, they have significant variability in production. It is possible that not all LCD3's create this ear pressure.


 

 


I have heard people use "vegan' pads ie not leather but velour to great effects. It certainly would not seal as well and would bring up the treble & open the presentation somewhat. "Drez" could tell you more as he was the one who spoke to me about 'vegan' pads.

Also I have used alot of TWag  (but not with lcd2/3) and it has always opened up the treble a small but noticeable amount from my experience.

 

post #242 of 868

i will triggle at LITE DAC-83 . but i cannot get any reference 7 or 7.1 to compare with. 

 

and there are only only  few impressions posted.

 

hope anyone can give me some advices

 

thank you.

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i will triggle at LITE DAC-83 . but i cannot get any reference 7 or 7.1 to compare with. 

 

and there are only only  few impressions posted.

 

hope anyone can give me some advices

 

thank you.



I have not heard the lite-83 but the design should be at least a strong indicator. 4 x1704 vs 8 x 1704. hence the lite 83 is more comparable to the Reference 5 as opposed to Ref 7.1. You might have more luck comparing those 2 instead.

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Originally Posted by colour97 View Post

i will triggle at LITE DAC-83 . but i cannot get any reference 7 or 7.1 to compare with. 

 

and there are only only  few impressions posted.

 

hope anyone can give me some advices

 

thank you.

I don't know what "triggle" means, so I might be off target / topic / misunderstand what you are asking about. Anyway, here it is:

John Darko at Digital Audio Review has made reviews of both the DAC-83 and the Ref 7.1. I am not sure if there is a big difference between to two DACs, but he ended up returning the Lite and later reviewed and bought the Audio-gd.

 

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i will trigger lite 83. May buy it tomorrow. 

 

when reference 7.1 price is 1900 usd and 83 price is usd 1000............very tempting 

 

will come back to you impression if i make this purchase.

 

thank you.

 

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Originally Posted by colour97 View Post

i will trigger lite 83. May buy it tomorrow. 

 

when reference 7.1 price is 1900 usd and 83 price is usd 1000............very tempting 

 

will come back to you impression if i make this purchase.

 

thank you.

 


Good luck!

The difference might be in bass level as far as I understand, where the Audio-gd probably has more bass weight than the Lite.

 

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Got lite dac 83. 

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Thread Starter 

I updated the thread title to include the new Master-8: http://audio-gd.com/Master/Master8/Master-8EN.htm

 

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Edited by tim3320070 - 4/22/12 at 11:48am
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I'm guessing this means Master 5/6 are discontinued? Being able to toggle output power for an extra $30 is quite a big upgrade.  

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Originally Posted by steve2151 View Post

I'm guessing this means Master 5/6 are discontinued? Being able to toggle output power for an extra $30 is quite a big upgrade.  
You are probably right. If I was about to buy one today, I wouldn't hesitate getting the 8 instead of the 6.
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EDIT: Refer to my later post.


Edited by drez - 4/23/12 at 6:28am
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I would like to know at what point the Master-6 switches to class A/B. I listen to the HE-6's at about volume 30-35 so less than half the max volume level so I actually doubt that the Master-6 would need to switch at that level.

Even if it does I certainly don't notice it.

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I would like to know at what point the Master-6 switches to class A/B. I listen to the HE-6's at about volume 30-35 so less than half the max volume level so I actually doubt that the Master-6 would need to switch at that level.

Even if it does I certainly don't notice it.

 

I should probably quote message from Kingwa "The Master 6 if high current output stage, its configuration made it without switch distortion so it should be a class A amp."

 

So as far as switching distortion definition of class A is concerned it is fully class A.  This is the present definition of class A.

 

As far as the older definition of class A (this older definition refers to the amount of current available at the ouput stage), [the Master 6 is] class A output is 400MW at 100 ohm and Class AB is 3500MW at 100 ohm.  For any sensible listening level, even with the HE-6, the Master 6 will still be class A even by the old definition.

 

AFAK class- A aspects have not changed between Master 6 and Master 8.

 

EDIT: I have hopefully clarified this post.


Edited by drez - 4/23/12 at 6:32am
post #254 of 868

I have edited my previous posts so hopefully they will not create any confusion.

post #255 of 868

 

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Originally Posted by drez View Post

 

 

I should probably quote message from Kingwa "The Master 6 if high current output stage, its configuration made it without switch distortion so it should be a class A amp."

 

So as far as switching distortion definition of class A is concerned it is fully class A.  This is the present definition of class A.

 

As far as the older definition of class A (this older definition refers to the amount of current available at the ouput stage), [the Master 6 is] class A output is 400MW at 100 ohm and Class AB is 3500MW at 100 ohm.  For any sensible listening level, even with the HE-6, the Master 6 will still be class A even by the old definition.

 

AFAK class- A aspects have not changed between Master 6 and Master 8.

 

EDIT: I have hopefully clarified this post.

 

Yes thanks for the info it does clarify things.

Its good to know that the Master-6 is,for all intents and purposes, fully class A.

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