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post #121 of 451

I'm glad someone bumped this thread again!

 

Been listening to mine non-stop almost since I got them (third pair). Still think these will never make bad music sound good. I think the Q701 actually DOES do this sometimes. It seems to be a little bit forgiving of very badly recorded music. Sure, if it's harsh and fatiguing IN the record, then it will sound that way.

 

I've been using them for awhile with my Headroom Micro Amp + HRT music streamer and they just didn't sound the same. I connected them up to an old Panasonic portable CD player and a portable amp and they're back to their old self.

 

Can't believe how detailed these are. I'm pretty much now positive these actually have more detail than my Q701, but it would take a lot of work to know for sure. I think these perhaps have just as much detail as the DT-880, if not more.

 

So far what's impressed me other than the detail and sound clarity is how good the soundstage is. It's completely accurate based on how the actual recording is. For example, in some music it sounds like male vocals are recessed, but in fact the recording itself MAKES it sound this way. Pearl Jam is one example. This pair doesn't really have the "relaxed mids" of my old pair. The sound out of these is very fun, but still very, very balanced. When the recording feels as if it was made in an airplane hangar it kind of sounds that way, but doesn't get as large souning as the Q701, but does a good enough job.

 

If they keep sounding as good as they've been sounding, this pair might top my DJ100 as my favorite headphone of all time. The 8400 does get more things right, but doesn't have the bass or more forward mids of the DJ100 (which is a good thing sometimes). DJ100 mids are just far too addicting to me. Kind of like how my Grado SR-325is is.

 

Haven't felt interested in comparing the 6400 to the 8400 any more. With the 8400 I don't feel like analyzing and comparing them much. I guess that's the sign of a near perfect headphone!

 

This cable definitely seems improved. Not sure how, but as mentioned before, if you get it tangled or wrap it up, it doesn't retain that shape for a week like my last pair did!

 

Another thing I noticed is that the comfort of these gets better the more you use them. it seems it takes awhile for the pads to kind of stretch out for a better fit. I know this sounds hard to believe, but I noticed this on the 6400 too.

 

Now this is weird...

 

First pair sounded like it had way, way too much treble and seemed to effect it's overall sound too much. Kind of like the AD700's treble makes everything sound a bit "off".

Second pair sounded great out of the box and needed no burn in. Smoother treble than my first pair, but pretty much very similar. This pair sounded so close to my KRK KNS-6400 that it took some major over-analyzing to tell the difference.

 

With this pair (that has new packaging and everything) it seems to sound much more different than the 6400. When I first compared the old 8400 to the 6400 it didn't feel any more warmer, fuller sounding or "musical". Yet, this pair fits that description perfectly. IMO it's probably warmer than the Q701, but not like the SRH-840 or say a Sennheiser. The 6400 I have is a lot thinner sounding (not in a bad way!!) than this 8400. I guess it all depends on what one likes in a headphone. So it looks like I finally got a pair that sounds like the versions everyone else is hearing!

 

Did anyone ever get a pair without the plastic shell packaging? The first two pairs (very early pairs)I had had ZERO plastic bag over the headphone or no shell. Just the headphone in a box and a piece of foam attached to the flap that secures it in place. Could be that BOTH my early 8400s were in the same batch. Got both at Guitar Center.

 

I'm also happy that I was able to get them to give me more clamping force. It was a huge risk, but they made it through the process! Kind of scary and I won't explain! Still not secure enough for exercise, but who does that with a studio monitor?! At least I can move my head all around without them falling off.

post #122 of 451

I'm very curious how a KRK KNS 6400 equalized to have a similar bass bump like what shows up in the 8400 measurements would sound compared to the actual 8400s. The KRK KNS 6400s have absolutely taken over my head-time after I equalized them, dethroning all of my favorites by having great detail retrieval and a nice, warm sound signature. I sold my DJ100s to a friend who appreciated them a lot more than I was doing and my fun, open Grados are just sitting in a corner. 

post #123 of 451
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Originally Posted by SanjiWatsuki View Post

I'm very curious how a KRK KNS 6400 equalized to have a similar bass bump like what shows up in the 8400 measurements would sound compared to the actual 8400s. The KRK KNS 6400s have absolutely taken over my head-time after I equalized them, dethroning all of my favorites by having great detail retrieval and a nice, warm sound signature. I sold my DJ100s to a friend who appreciated them a lot more than I was doing and my fun, open Grados are just sitting in a corner. 


I'll have to try and EQ my 6400 to have the bass of the 8400. It's possible.

I can't imagine I'll ever get rid of my DJ100. Owned in for what seems like 2 years now and I haven't found anything yet with it's addicting mids. The SR-225i got close. I think the DJ100 is my favorite for Jpop..the kind I can actually stomach.

 

My new SR-325is hasn't gotten much use in the last week. I like that thing, but only have one head biggrin.gif

 

 

BTW has ANYONE here actually had an 8400 that was thin sounding, not too musical and not even remotely warm? I have. Two them. Luckily this pair sounds just like it should be. Maybe the cable is improved and/or is thicker than the one on my other pairs. Highly unlikely.

 

I should connect my 8400's cable to my 6400 and see if there is any difference in sound. Yes, I know copper is copper, but still...

 

post #124 of 451


I think I had some odd seal problem with my DJ100s, I fell into the group that just didn't feel like the bass was all there. One of my friends who was trying to decide what headphone to buy, though, loved them more than any of my other pairs. He's very happy with his "napkin-modded pads." The mids were definitely nice on it, though. 

 

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post


I'll have to try and EQ my 6400 to have the bass of the 8400. It's possible.

I can't imagine I'll ever get rid of my DJ100. Owned in for what seems like 2 years now and I haven't found anything yet with it's addicting mids. The SR-225i got close. I think the DJ100 is my favorite for Jpop..the kind I can actually stomach.

 

My new SR-325is hasn't gotten much use in the last week. I like that thing, but only have one head biggrin.gif

 

 

BTW has ANYONE here actually had an 8400 that was thin sounding, not too musical and not even remotely warm? I have. Two them. Luckily this pair sounds just like it should be. Maybe the cable is improved and/or is thicker than the one on my other pairs. Highly unlikely.

 

I should connect my 8400's cable to my 6400 and see if there is any difference in sound. Yes, I know copper is copper, but still...

 



 

post #125 of 451


Yeah I've noticed with the DJ100 if you don't have a perfect seal with the stock pads the bass suffers a lot. M50 pads really improve the bass on them. With the pair I have, the KRKs make them almost look bass heavy. No joke, but they're really not!

 

It looks like based on the Inner Fidelity graphs, the DJ100 (Tony Bennet version) has even more sub-bass than the M50! Not too bad really. If you remove the foam off the back of the M50 pads, the white boxed M50 has maybe just 5% more bass than the DJ100 overall.

 

I think the bass on my DJ100 (M50 pads) is my limit and anymore and it would really screw up the mids. With some amps the DJ100 can get bloated bass. Then if you under-amp it, the bass seems not very well controlled!

 

Sometimes it feels like it's often too hard to get the Dj100 to sound right! Some people say the DJ100 is so easy to drive, but I never felt it was at all. Even when you got decent volume it still didn't sound right at times.

 

Never had a headphone change so much when switching amps and DACs as the Dj100 does!

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Originally Posted by SanjiWatsuki View Post


I think I had some odd seal problem with my DJ100s, I fell into the group that just didn't feel like the bass was all there. One of my friends who was trying to decide what headphone to buy, though, loved them more than any of my other pairs. He's very happy with his "napkin-modded pads." The mids were definitely nice on it, though. 

 



 



 

post #126 of 451
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

I'm glad someone bumped this thread again!

 

Been listening to mine non-stop almost since I got them (third pair). Still think these will never make bad music sound good. I think the Q701 actually DOES do this sometimes. It seems to be a little bit forgiving of very badly recorded music. Sure, if it's harsh and fatiguing IN the record, then it will sound that way.

 

I've been using them for awhile with my Headroom Micro Amp + HRT music streamer and they just didn't sound the same. I connected them up to an old Panasonic portable CD player and a portable amp and they're back to their old self.

 

Can't believe how detailed these are. I'm pretty much now positive these actually have more detail than my Q701, but it would take a lot of work to know for sure. I think these perhaps have just as much detail as the DT-880, if not more.

 

So far what's impressed me other than the detail and sound clarity is how good the soundstage is. It's completely accurate based on how the actual recording is. For example, in some music it sounds like male vocals are recessed, but in fact the recording itself MAKES it sound this way. Pearl Jam is one example. This pair doesn't really have the "relaxed mids" of my old pair. The sound out of these is very fun, but still very, very balanced. When the recording feels as if it was made in an airplane hangar it kind of sounds that way, but doesn't get as large souning as the Q701, but does a good enough job.

 

If they keep sounding as good as they've been sounding, this pair might top my DJ100 as my favorite headphone of all time. The 8400 does get more things right, but doesn't have the bass or more forward mids of the DJ100 (which is a good thing sometimes). DJ100 mids are just far too addicting to me. Kind of like how my Grado SR-325is is.

 

Haven't felt interested in comparing the 6400 to the 8400 any more. With the 8400 I don't feel like analyzing and comparing them much. I guess that's the sign of a near perfect headphone!

 

This cable definitely seems improved. Not sure how, but as mentioned before, if you get it tangled or wrap it up, it doesn't retain that shape for a week like my last pair did!

 

Another thing I noticed is that the comfort of these gets better the more you use them. it seems it takes awhile for the pads to kind of stretch out for a better fit. I know this sounds hard to believe, but I noticed this on the 6400 too.

 

Now this is weird...

 

First pair sounded like it had way, way too much treble and seemed to effect it's overall sound too much. Kind of like the AD700's treble makes everything sound a bit "off".

Second pair sounded great out of the box and needed no burn in. Smoother treble than my first pair, but pretty much very similar. This pair sounded so close to my KRK KNS-6400 that it took some major over-analyzing to tell the difference.

 

With this pair (that has new packaging and everything) it seems to sound much more different than the 6400. When I first compared the old 8400 to the 6400 it didn't feel any more warmer, fuller sounding or "musical". Yet, this pair fits that description perfectly. IMO it's probably warmer than the Q701, but not like the SRH-840 or say a Sennheiser. The 6400 I have is a lot thinner sounding (not in a bad way!!) than this 8400. I guess it all depends on what one likes in a headphone. So it looks like I finally got a pair that sounds like the versions everyone else is hearing!

 

Did anyone ever get a pair without the plastic shell packaging? The first two pairs (very early pairs)I had had ZERO plastic bag over the headphone or no shell. Just the headphone in a box and a piece of foam attached to the flap that secures it in place. Could be that BOTH my early 8400s were in the same batch. Got both at Guitar Center.

 

I'm also happy that I was able to get them to give me more clamping force. It was a huge risk, but they made it through the process! Kind of scary and I won't explain! Still not secure enough for exercise, but who does that with a studio monitor?! At least I can move my head all around without them falling off.


I found the K701 (possibly not quite same as Q701 from what I read) to be more forgiving overall. I think the large soundstage of the K701 doesn't really force the details in front of you. With 8400 it's clear and upfront - whether good or bad sounding. I actually found the K701 good for casual listening while doing other stuff since it's easy to move focus away from the music when it sounds further away.

 

For packaging mine had the plastic shell for the 'phones + accessories and a piece of thin flexible foam/packing material.

post #127 of 451

Marximus was saying he had troubles with plugging the KRK 8400 cable into the ear cup. He said that when he plugged it in all the way the bass would get all screwed up but if he didn't "snap" it into place then the bass was fine. 

 

My trigger finger is itchy and I am considering buying these. But I don't want to buy it if it's defective. :S

 

 

By the way, sorry about my compulsiveness guys! Especially my apologies to Electropop! You have been helping me navigate my way through headphone choices for a while! Thank you. :)

post #128 of 451

Well, I can say I've never had an issue with the sound messing up when I plug in my cable all the way. I think it's a pretty isolated problem for Marximus.
 

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Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post

Marximus was saying he had troubles with plugging the KRK 8400 cable into the ear cup. He said that when he plugged it in all the way the bass would get all screwed up but if he didn't "snap" it into place then the bass was fine. 

 

My trigger finger is itchy and I am considering buying these. But I don't want to buy it if it's defective. :S

 

 

By the way, sorry about my compulsiveness guys! Especially my apologies to Electropop! You have been helping me navigate my way through headphone choices for a while! Thank you. :)



 

post #129 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post

Marximus was saying he had troubles with plugging the KRK 8400 cable into the ear cup. He said that when he plugged it in all the way the bass would get all screwed up but if he didn't "snap" it into place then the bass was fine. 

 

My trigger finger is itchy and I am considering buying these. But I don't want to buy it if it's defective. :S

 

 

By the way, sorry about my compulsiveness guys! Especially my apologies to Electropop! You have been helping me navigate my way through headphone choices for a while! Thank you. :)



Heh, don't worry about it. Just nothing more I can say really...

 

I'm sure the pair you receive, if you buy, will not be defective. At least it won't be probable. Mine worked the other way and I really had to lock it for it to get full contact. Is it not possible for you to get the refund if you don't like them? I think it's really worth the shipping fee to try.

post #130 of 451

Just wondering if these headphones would be much of a hassle to wear around outside of the house... I've heard that they stay on the head well enough, are light and have moderate isolation. Probably the greatest use out of the house may be on the bus plus a short walk. Opinions?

post #131 of 451
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Originally Posted by avoshake View Post

Just wondering if these headphones would be much of a hassle to wear around outside of the house... I've heard that they stay on the head well enough, are light and have moderate isolation. Probably the greatest use out of the house may be on the bus plus a short walk. Opinions?



A great portable option.  They isolate quite well (both in leakage and blocking out noise) and are easy to drive.  They are comfortable and clamp well enough to not slide around.

 

Real portable winner here in my book

post #132 of 451

I'm using them as portables at the moment, but could wish a bit more from isolation. I guess I'm spoiled with the likes of HD-25-1 and 8.35D, but indeed did go back to the 8400, sacrificing a bit of isolation, after having spent a week with the German Maestro. There just isn't a better overall closed headphone at this price point that I've tried. 

 

I use a skateboard to move around during the summer and have made that a reference for portability. If I can jump up curbs at 20mph speeds and they don't fall off my head, they're fine. K272 were good: best combination of comfort and portability via a good balance of weightlessness and clamp. Just didn't fold. :(

post #133 of 451

Thank you for the responses. I doubt I'll be doing anything close to skateboarding so they sound as portable as I need.

post #134 of 451

Hey guys, I am about to pull the trigger on these. But I have one last question. Will I have any issues driving this from my Clip+ (Rockboxed)? I am thinking it will be okay but I am wondering if the Clip+ uses digital volume attenuation and what that might mean for driving my KRK KNS 8400. 

 

Read Head Injury's post on the Clip+ that raises some concerns for me: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/419836/does-sansa-clip-have-a-true-line-out/15#post_8023040

 

It would be great if I could go ahead and run my Clip+ with my PA2V2 - but of course I can go without. As far as I know the frequency response of the PA2V2 is pretty well ruler flat so I thought it would go nicely with my Clip+. But if distortion, a deviation from a flat frequency response or any other sonic difficulties arise I would of course just drive the KRK KNS 8400 with the Clip+ (Rockboxed). 

 

I just thought the PA2V2 might deliver more bass impact without changing the frequency response and that it may add a little more clarity and more definitive performance to the KRK KNS 8400's drivers.

 

Thoughts?

post #135 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post

Hey guys, I am about to pull the trigger on these. But I have one last question. Will I have any issues driving this from my Clip+ (Rockboxed)? I am thinking it will be okay but I am wondering if the Clip+ uses digital volume attenuation and what that might mean for driving my KRK KNS 8400. 

 

Read Head Injury's post on the Clip+ that raises some concerns for me: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/419836/does-sansa-clip-have-a-true-line-out/15#post_8023040

 

It would be great if I could go ahead and run my Clip+ with my PA2V2 - but of course I can go without. As far as I know the frequency response of the PA2V2 is pretty well ruler flat so I thought it would go nicely with my Clip+. But if distortion, a deviation from a flat frequency response or any other sonic difficulties arise I would of course just drive the KRK KNS 8400 with the Clip+ (Rockboxed). 

 

I just thought the PA2V2 might deliver more bass impact without changing the frequency response and that it may add a little more clarity and more definitive performance to the KRK KNS 8400's drivers.

 

Thoughts?

 

The Clip can drive them, but it isn't very loud. This doesn't mean much, but my HD-598 gets even louder straight from the Clip. I can't even max the volume with the 598 attached!

I think it's OK and I've tried this combination. IMO I didn't noticed any degraded audio when I connected my Clip to an amp, but I never do that.

 

With the Clip you just need to max the volume. It's not low volume, but just not very loud. Just about perfect. I never realized how hard the KNS-8400 is to drive!


 

 

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