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post #841 of 2064

That is off topic . . . why are you posting about supporting an anti Beats page when this thread is about the Ultrasone Signature Pro headphones?

 

EDIT: I liked your page but you shouldn't go completely off topic like that . . . that has absolutely nothing to do with these headphones.


Edited by KingOfTheWild - 5/10/12 at 12:36pm
post #842 of 2064

They aren't controversial, people only dislike Edition 8s who are looking for reasons to dislike them, they sound like amazing magical speakers. They are so good that Ultrasone even released a limited edition version. Another thing is that the metallic build quality also has an impact on the sound. Maybe that is where the 'harshness' talk comes in. These drivers will need more burn-in time, my edition 8's sound smooth as silk. 

 

I ordered Sig Pro's to do a comparison, but the lower cost materials that were used for it doesn't inspire confidence. It seems like a company trying to pull a fast one. Downgrade the quality of the parts under the guise of being a 'studio' solution, then claim it is better than their flagship offerings. It is like when candy companies make their chocolate bars smaller and try to say it's the same size. 

 

One thing to keep in mind though is there have already been about five Sig Pro's popping up on the for sale forums, and they were just released ... so maybe the sound is technically more neutral but it hasn't 'wowed' people like the Edition 8 has.


Edited by BoxBoxBox - 5/10/12 at 1:22pm
post #843 of 2064
I really don't see how a headphone designed to be rugged and durable can be seen a pulling a fast one, and there's yet another edition 8 owner trying to defend there headphones status as the flagship stating how the SP can't possible sound better because it's not flashy. Maybe you should actually wait to hear them before labeling them as inferior.
post #844 of 2064

I definitely agree with noxa.
 

post #845 of 2064

I for one feel the build quality on the Sig PRO's is exceptional. The plastic is extremely durable and the look is not cheap at all. They are extremely comfortable and are shockingly as isolating as my JH-16's. I walked by a guy with a huge lawnmower today and smiled to myself as I heard nothing!

post #846 of 2064

Could the VModa M100 possibly compare to the Signature Pro?  Based on posts for the Signature Pro and the M100, I'm wondering if they could possibly be in the same league given the price difference.  I would love to save $500+ and enjoy a comparable listening experience.  Has anyone listened to the Signature Pro and any of the VModa line?
 

post #847 of 2064
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

Could the VModa M100 possibly compare to the Signature Pro?  Based on posts for the Signature Pro and the M100, I'm wondering if they could possibly be in the same league given the price difference.  I would love to save $500+ and enjoy a comparable listening experience.  Has anyone listened to the Signature Pro and any of the VModa line?
 

 

I've listened to the M50s and the LP/LP2s: I wouldn't say those headphones are comparable to the Signature Pro in terms of clarity, instrument separation, detail retrieval or overall musicality. That said, I haven't heard the M100s.

post #848 of 2064
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Originally Posted by BoxBoxBox View Post

They aren't controversial, people only dislike Edition 8s who are looking for reasons to dislike them, they sound like amazing magical speakers.

 

Idk, man, it seems like one of the most loved and hated headphones out there. I'm not too confident in the Edition 8s when they have such polar opinions yet have a flagship pricetag (well, cuz they ARE flagships, right?). 

 

FWIRead, it seems that with the Sig Pro, Ultrasone has smoothed out little things that people didn't like with the Editions; i.e. sibilance, peaky treble. However, I'm not fully getting the idea that the Sig Pros have overall better sound quality than the Editions (well, the 8 at least). And I'm wondering if the Signature Pros are/could be as "controversial" as the Edition 8/10s, but they aren't since they haven't hit a critical mass audience yet; not enough people have heard them, not enough opinions.

 

I like Ultrasone, though. Their Pro line is great. But with the releases of the Edition 8 and 10 I'm not sure if Ultrasone has really proved themselves in the high-end market. Of course I need to hear them for myself, but like I said, I have read opinions of the Editions that are all over the place, unlike headphones such as the HD 800, LCD 2, and HE-500 which all have very favorable opinions and have almost unanimous praise.

 

It's hard to see exactly where Ultrasone fits among the aforementioned headphones. It's nice to see some users here like customNuts and Ahzari that have actually had experience with some of these different headphones. I need to look back through this thread to see if there are some good comparisons.

post #849 of 2064
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Originally Posted by BoxBoxBox View Post

They aren't controversial, people only dislike Edition 8s who are looking for reasons to dislike them, they sound like amazing magical speakers. They are so good that Ultrasone even released a limited edition version. Another thing is that the metallic build quality also has an impact on the sound. Maybe that is where the 'harshness' talk comes in. These drivers will need more burn-in time, my edition 8's sound smooth as silk. 

 

I ordered Sig Pro's to do a comparison, but the lower cost materials that were used for it doesn't inspire confidence. It seems like a company trying to pull a fast one. Downgrade the quality of the parts under the guise of being a 'studio' solution, then claim it is better than their flagship offerings. It is like when candy companies make their chocolate bars smaller and try to say it's the same size. 

 

One thing to keep in mind though is there have already been about five Sig Pro's popping up on the for sale forums, and they were just released ... so maybe the sound is technically more neutral but it hasn't 'wowed' people like the Edition 8 has.

 

1.) Uh... regardless of the REASON behind their disliking them, the fact that people DO dislike them means they aren't unanimously accepted. Ultrasone is one of the most controversial companies in this hobby.

 

2.) "Magical speakers?" I guess you're actually trolling here. Sorry for feeding you.

 

3.) "So good that Ultrasone released a limited version." One could just as easily say there were so unpopular they released a limited version to try and attract new buyers. It's all in how you spin it.

 

4.) Burn-in isn't provable, nor is it necessarily disprovable. Those who have studied it like Tyll however seem to feel that if it does exist, the effects are minor. No amount of burn-in has changed the harshness of the Edition 8's upper registers to my ears. I've owned two pairs over the course of three years.

 

5.) I love the part about Ultrasone pulling a "fast one" by offering a more ruggedly built headphone, given that many people said they were pulling a "fast one" by offering really flashy headphones. Look at the Edition 10: it's the most over-designed Edition headphone Ultrasone has produced. And also the worst.

 

6.) I somehow have trouble believing you ordered the Signature Pros when you think the Edition 8 sounds smoother and say their build is so much better. The Signature Pro is one of the sturdiest, most confidence inspiring headphones I've ever seen frankly. There are threads on head-fi where people have posted photos of their Edition 8s falling apart however. Do a search if you don't believe me.

 

7.) Okay, there are Signature Pros on the FS forum. Do you know how many Edition 8s popped up on the FS forum when they first came out? Quite a few.


Edited by MuppetFace - 5/11/12 at 3:13am
post #850 of 2064

Oh, and it's a bit ironic you came in here claiming the Signature Pro was FOTM, when most of the posts up until now have been rather balanced, citing that the sound signature of both differ and that it ultimately boils down to preference. You seem to be the only one speaking in absolutes here, saying that the Edition 8 is clearly better than the Signature Pro, which is a con of some sort apparently.

 

Seems like you've got a chip on your shoulder over something.

 

We're not trying to argue that the Signature Pro is better, but simply saying we prefer it for various reasons. Also we're suggesting that the Edition 8 isn't quite the sacred cow you seem to think it is.


Edited by MuppetFace - 5/11/12 at 3:24am
post #851 of 2064

Sing it!

post #852 of 2064
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that the only reason I haven't seen people who dislike the HD800's is probably because I don't look through everyone's threads really . . . I just post my own threads looking for help/advice usually. The reason why I don't look through all the threads and post in them is because I wouldn't be much help  because I have had an obsession with high-end audio products for less than a year and don't know much. Also, I have never owned or even listened to any high high end headphones like the headphones that this thread is about for example (the most expensive headphones I ever got were the B&W P5's but I didn't audition them long enough, ended up not liking them one bit, and returned them). I've dreamed of one day being able to own super high end headphones like these and others such as the Beyerdynamic T5p's. Sorry for the sweeping generality man, I shouldn't say things like that . . . it's just wrong and shows ignorance.

 

EDIT: Yeah if you really want to see you foolish/ignorant I am then just look at some of my first couple threads! Hahaha

It's all good mate, thanks for the sentiment. Your always welcome to PM me if you have any other questions on headphone/earphones. 

post #853 of 2064

Thanks I will keep that in mind.
 

post #854 of 2064

so you and Noxa think they sat around and decided 'lets make something really rugged and durable, our fans would love that!'. That isn't how business works. The executives sat around a room and said how can we save 80-90 % production costs and still work in the high end market, to save our bottom line after the Edition 10 failed. 

 

Every time a company has done this in my experience, the end quality suffers. I mean they are even charging nearly the same price. they used the right buzz words to make consumers ignore that convenient fact. also, the building material of a headphone does play a factor in sound, whether it is wood, plastic, metal. It isn't about how they look, I prefer the ones that are foldable in fact.

 

Anyway if the Sig Pro is better than the Ed 8 and 9 like everyone's saying that will be surprising, because it would mean that Ultrasone is admitting they were thieving liars these last five years about their top end products... if they could achieve even better sound with plastic parts then they sold us snake oil with the Edition 8s/9s.

 

Also muppetface, 'magical' means 'euphoric' 'musical' that's used all the time


Edited by BoxBoxBox - 5/11/12 at 2:07pm
post #855 of 2064
I think you're missing the point of the SP, it is in no way meant to replace or be better than the edition 8 it's for a completely different application. The point is the edition series are meant for high end customers wanting the best consumer headphone, but the materials used arn't suitable for prolonged professional use so that's where the SP comes in, I really don't think they thought about general customers or head-fiers when they decided to make the SP, it was more to make an impact on the professional scene giving them what they wanted a more neutral, rugged and durable tool. You really are obsessed with Ultrasone pulling a fast one, times move on technology advances and companies learn from past endeavours, they obviously thought metal casings were the way to go for the ultimate sound back then but research has since indicated that's not the case, I don't see that as a 'fast one'.
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