You are absolutely misquoting me, you might want to read my post again. I didn't write that the bass is inferior to the HP100 nor that treble resolution can't compete with 300$ headphones. I was a bit more detailed than that, for a reason. And yes the 500€ i would pay would be for the mids alone. And i think that says alot about how nice they are.
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It seems I said "underrated" and "underknown" and didn't say anything about price. I hate disguss about headphones or audio gear price. It's sooo difficult to evaluate value IMO especially in high-end pieces of equipment. Some of us could spend all money in order to get last refinement or very special flavor and I really heard ( and compared to SP) 40€ headphones that really does a fantastic job . IMO Headphone price introduces too much biases in debates.
About your appreciation about SP: I can't disagree more :)
In my opinion bass is the SP strongest quality ( extended , textured , organic and "real") , trebles gives clarity and air I'm addicted to but sometimes can sound too sparkly for darkness fan and mids are very very good ( detailed , meaty not too colored as so many "mid-king" headphones ) but slightly too recessed to be perfect.. i I read many reviews about SP and your're the first to criticize SP bass and to find mids are the strong point of this headphone. I'm not myself so experienced but I owned or tried many well rated headphones and many gave me sometimes more immediate pleasure than my Ultrasone ( I think to HD580 and Grado RS2 i own currently ) but finally SP offers in my opinion an overally higher level experience of listening. Personally, what i appreciate the most is SP ability to transcribe the real nature of the source and the material . Despite its inherent coloration and Ultrasone specific way of sounding, SP is very versatile. The only music which sounds only average through SP is Rock ( Voices and guitars don't sound forward enough In my opinion) .
So. i will give up my principles for one minute. A pair of cans that offers : High level audio experience for about any genre, very serious build , foldability, ease to be driven and near to perfect isolation really worthes its 850€ . What's is sure is i would spend immediately this price to buy if mine was lost or damaged .
For the compaison to ATH M50 . .. I hate M50 . So I can't understand how anyone can use words M50 and Ultrasone SP in the same phrase.
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Did you compare personnaly to Fostex th900 or Ath-W3000/W1000X or Beyerdynamic T5p ?post #1700 of 23437/29/13 at 11:21amQuote:
I think all of those (except the Beyers) leak like faucets... so not "fully" closed... I saw a thread comparing the T5p and Sig Pros, it was informational ;-) Seems the T5p are "faster" so genres such as Rock/Metal performed better there. Other than that, it's a toss up I think. Haven't personally tried them though.post #1701 of 23437/29/13 at 11:53amQuote:Quote:Originally Posted by gelocks
I think all of those (except the Beyers) leak like faucets... so not "fully" closed... I saw a thread comparing the T5p and Sig Pros, it was informational ;-) Seems the T5p are "faster" so genres such as Rock/Metal performed better there. Other than that, it's a toss up I think. Haven't personally tried them though.
I have not heard those which is why I qualified with closed and would add "portable" as a qualifier. My understand from what I have read it that the T5P is bright with modest bass impact which would not suit my taste.
Edited by Craigster75 - 7/29/13 at 11:54ampost #1702 of 23437/29/13 at 12:59pmQuote:
I have both the Sig Pro and the T5P. I find myself listening to and liking the Sig Pro much more. The T5P is a bit thin-sounding in comparison with the Sig Pro. I do like a bit of bass, though. But the Sig Pro is particularly affected by the input, and as I have written before now in this thread, a clean and accurate (not in any way bloated) signal is best with the Sig Pro. To make the T5P sound remotely comparable (and it will never be actually comparable, I think) I have to change the 3.5 mm to 3.5 mm cable between the DAC (here I am using the Fostex HP-P1) and the amplifier (I am using the iQube here) and change the filter setting on the Fostex. So, a bit of bloating of the bass is best with the T5P. And even then the bass is much less than on the Sig Pro. And the sound of the Sig Pro is simply more enjoyable for me when it is fed a clean signal.post #1703 of 23437/29/13 at 1:31pm
I have the Fostex and the CLAS and the Fostex has a much thinner signal, less warmth which may play to the Sig Pro's sound signature. I know that with my bassier phones, a leaner input sounds better and with my more detailed or less bassy phones a warmer input sounds better. Not saying that one is better or worse just a matter of matching. I think i have only heard the T5P once and vaguely remembered it as being lean on bass and still haven't seen a Sig Pro at any meets. I was really hoping for one at this last regional meet to compare to the ED8.post #1704 of 23437/29/13 at 2:00pmQuote:Originally Posted by dallan
I have the Fostex and the CLAS and the Fostex has a much thinner signal, less warmth which may play to the Sig Pro's sound signature. I know that with my bassier phones, a leaner input sounds better and with my more detailed or less bassy phones a warmer input sounds better. Not saying that one is better or worse just a matter of matching. I think i have only heard the T5P once and vaguely remembered it as being lean on bass and still haven't seen a Sig Pro at any meets. I was really hoping for one at this last regional meet to compare to the ED8.
I know it's not the same as you doing it yourself, but I had the Sig Pro, traded it for a D7000, and now have an Edition 8 to arrive on Wednesday. I'll be able to give some kind of reference point for the Sig Pro vs Edition 8. I liked the Sig Pro but the ear pad comfort left a bit to be desired, hence the D7000 trade. No such problem with them. So I'm hoping the Ed 8 is similar in sound, better in bass and more comfy than the Sig Pro. Not asking much, am I? Seriously, if it is similar in comfort to the Sig Pro I'll live with it as the D7000 is the long listening session phone for now, though if I love the Ed 8 you never know. I'm keeping them both either way.post #1705 of 23438/2/13 at 6:57pmpost #1706 of 23438/2/13 at 6:57pm
Not sure why the automatic double post thing happens. With all the advertising that is cursor activated etc, this site is becoming very user unfriendly.
Edited by Kernmac - 8/2/13 at 7:00pmpost #1707 of 23438/2/13 at 7:11pmQuote:
I had the Pro, traded it, just got the Edition 8 and think it has the crown. Just MHO. Definitely more comfortable to me thankfully since that's why I got rid of the Pro's.post #1708 of 23438/2/13 at 7:14pmQuote:Originally Posted by Oregonian
I know it's not the same as you doing it yourself, but I had the Sig Pro, traded it for a D7000, and now have an Edition 8 to arrive on Wednesday. I'll be able to give some kind of reference point for the Sig Pro vs Edition 8. I liked the Sig Pro but the ear pad comfort left a bit to be desired, hence the D7000 trade. No such problem with them. So I'm hoping the Ed 8 is similar in sound, better in bass and more comfy than the Sig Pro. Not asking much, am I? Seriously, if it is similar in comfort to the Sig Pro I'll live with it as the D7000 is the long listening session phone for now, though if I love the Ed 8 you never know. I'm keeping them both either way.
It worked as I'd hoped. Edition 8 is a step up and clearly more comfy to my ears. What a portable solution!post #1709 of 23438/2/13 at 7:19pmQuote:
most versatile, yes. i use signature pro a lot. at home, away, on the road. with all different music.post #1710 of 23438/2/13 at 7:57pmQuote:
I had the ED8 for around 12 months or so, great headphone. I don't think I would describe the ED8 as a step up on the Signature Pro, simply a slightly different flavour; they are close family members. I am relying on memory (which is a poor mechanism for sound comparison), however I actually prefer the Pro from a sound perspective.
The ED8 is certainly a different fit, some will prefer and others won't. They are both comfortable on my head. I prefer the fold up versatility and cable options of the Pro over the ED 8. The Edition has a better form factor on the head, its lower profile design means it doesn't stick out like most other headphones, including the Pro.
The Signature Pro and ED8 don't get the respect they deserve on Headfi, but who cares what other people think. Trust your ears and simply enjoy the sublime sound form the closed high end Ultrasones.
EDIT: On my home system, the Sig Pro is competitive with both the LCD2 and the T1, it just gets down to preference/sound signature at the time. And from portable source, there is no equal, including ED8 based on my memory.
Edited by Kernmac - 8/2/13 at 11:47pm
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