ULTRASONE NEW ANNOUNCED HEADPHONE Signature Pro - Page 94

Ahzari, you enjoy your WA6SE with your Sig Pro?

im a bit confused. People told me before that the sig pro is a warm headphone which needs a bright amp, and many people say the O2 is a good amp for it. I already ordered the O2 which I will use to try out the sig pro in a while, will the sig pro sound overly bright, or will it sound good?

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Originally Posted by daniel521 

im a bit confused. People told me before that the sig pro is a warm headphone which needs a bright amp, and many people say the O2 is a good amp for it. I already ordered the O2 which I will use to try out the sig pro in a while, will the sig pro sound overly bright, or will it sound good?

The Signature Pros are a slightly warm headphone based on Ultrasone standards - not necessarily when compared to many other top tier headphones on the market. Other Ultrasone offerings in the Pro and Edition series tend to be colder and sibilant - the Signature Pros fix some of these colorings and offer up a more neutral sound. A warm amp with bring some warmer coloring, bigger bass - smoother treble and midrange to the rather neutral Signature Pro, a colder solid state amp with make them sound brighter. It really goes down to personal taste, I am not fond of tremble emphasized headphones and am extremely sensitive to sibilance so I like what tubes bring to audio.

SoundFreaq - yes I did enjoy the Signature Pros with the WA6SE, since the headphones are so clear and honest in their sound reproduction tube rolling was more fun because you could really change the sound signature with warmer/colder/lush'er/etc tubes. With some other headphones the difference was not as noticeable.

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Originally Posted by amvolante 

WOW. Are you talking about the Cavalli Audio Liquid Fire? I'm receptive to all input, but that's way outside of my price range. Do you think I'd be better with another amp then? Going off of what other people say can help, but I admit it's far from ideal. For instance, I've read that some people praise the dac in the HDP, but don't really like the amp, and vice versa. So if something isn't paired well with these headphones, I'm not really sure which part to change. I did have a Yulong D100 at one point, but one day I couldn't get it to turn on anymore. I wish I still had it, and it worked, so I could try these headphones on it.

I also have an HDP and if you didn't noticed with your Senns, the HDP is a "bright" headphone (which is why I like my Senns HD600 with it!). Maybe that's why you are finding the Sig Pros even more brighter. I usually use my Lehman BCL which actually is a bit bright also, but I don't find this a deal breaker... (I loved the Shure SRH940s so... :-p)

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Originally Posted by amvolante 

I thought the HD 650s sounded clearer with the HDP, but not really brighter. I'm hardly an expert in this area though, too many adjectives, and everyone seems to hear things differently. I listened to the Sig Pros with and without the HDP and maybe they seem brighter, but more clear and distinct for sure. The sibilance didn't really seem to change. The bass seems to have improved as it has more punch. With what everyone has been saying I'm thinking I just need a warmer headphone amp to make these really shine. I'm hoping to do it for much less than some of the equipment listed here though. Looks like a tube is the way to go.

Yup!

I actually don't think MY Signature Pros are bright at all (in comparison to my old Shure SRH940s, Denon D5000s, etc.). ;-)

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Originally Posted by amvolante 

I just bought the signature pro headphones in these forums, and wow am I amazed at the detail. I've never been one to try multiple expensive things, just do a ton of research and make the best purchase I can. I have a pair of Sennheiser HD650s (had for over 8 years), an AudioEngine D1 dac, and now these with a Nuforce Icon HDP (which I like better than the D1). They sound amazing, but like Jwm48324 and some others have said, they sound a little too bright to me. I'm definitely keeping them, but what are all of you using to drive/amp them? I'm wondering if the HDP wasn't the best match for these.

If you have been living with the 650 for eight years you have to consider that your ear has adjusted to that famous Senn "veiled" sound.  A smart plan of attack IMO would be to give your ears some time to adjust to the Sig Pro sound.  I know from my own experience coming from a Grado GS1-K to the Sig Pro I was amazed at how warm and lush the Sig was.

Point being that the GS-1K is known to be on the bright side , while your beloved Senn 650s have been touted as almost overly warm.

Bottom line, let your ears adapt. 

I am running mine from a Burson HA-160D (Low) and I have to say Blutengel has never sounded better

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq 

^^ that is fantastic advice.

LOL ...about time someone agreed with me !

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Originally Posted by amvolante 

Actually, I think the cardas cable upgrade made the 'veil' mostly disappear on my 650s. I did consider that I've only really used one main pair of headphones for a long time and that can alter my perception. The Sig Pros are brighter, and I like that. They definitely sound different, but music sounds a little harsh now and then, so I thought I would ask if people thought it was my HDP. Seems people think so, and that I would benefit from a tube. I get what you're saying about perception though.
I took a gamble on this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230874234734&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160
I've never heard tube sound before, so I wanted to give it somewhat of a tryout before I spend a lot more on something. Though probably far from higher end units, I'm hoping I can get some kind of idea of what I'm in for. I see it has quite the hacking and modding community too, which I'm happy to try out, as that's right up my alley.
The real thing I had to get used to is how isolating the Sig Pros are. Going from open headphones to these takes some real getting used to. I expect them to sound muffled every time I put them on, and then become amazed at how good they sound. I don't really want to get used to that...

Havent heard that particular amp , but for the price it may be worth a shot.  Agreed, the isolation factor does take some adjustment. 

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Originally Posted by amvolante 

I thought the HD 650s sounded clearer with the HDP, but not really brighter. I'm hardly an expert in this area though, too many adjectives, and everyone seems to hear things differently. I listened to the Sig Pros with and without the HDP and maybe they seem brighter, but more clear and distinct for sure. The sibilance didn't really seem to change. The bass seems to have improved as it has more punch. With what everyone has been saying I'm thinking I just need a warmer headphone amp to make these really shine. I'm hoping to do it for much less than some of the equipment listed here though. Looks like a tube is the way to go.

well the HD650s are a rather dark sounding headphone that would benefit from the brighter HDP representation.. so that makes sense that you may have thought the overall sound was clearer with the HDP. For me the Signature Pros were already crystal clear so I didn't need anything to amplify the top end, just something to warm it up a bit.

dan_can, you asked earlier about the warranty.  I couldn't find anything online either so I went to www.ultrasone.com and went to the contact tab and inquired there.  They sent a registration form to be sent back to them.