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post #106 of 2061
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I haven't heard the PRO 900 or the SR225i, so I'm afraid I wont be of much help there, but going by what I know from other PRO and Grado headphones, wind016's suggestion of the W1000x seems pretty solid. Between the Edition 8 and 9, the highs and lows of the PRO 2900 seem closer to the 9 to me. It'll be interesting to hear if these Signature Pros are close to the 9s in their sound.

The PRO900 compares almost directly to the 2900. Imagine the 2900, but closed and all that it implies--not quite as airy, probably a 20% (qualitative estimate) increase in bass quantity, and slightly more sparkly highs.  The mids are a little more recessed on the 900 due to the highs and lows being more pronounced--they're the same driver, so their FR are actually pretty similar.  Of these, I've actually heard both and probably would have bought the 2900 if I could use open cans.

 

Reading reviews on the wood AT's sounds like I would have the same problem I have with my 225i--lack of the bass extension I'm looking for.  I considered the D7000, but I'm not sure it has the top-end excitement that I want. 

 

Sadly, I don't have anywhere I can demo any of this, as I'm currently deployed to Afghanistan.  I've been basing my purchases thus far entirely on reading hundreds of reviews...which has worked out "ok".
 

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Have you heard a pair of thunderpants?


Nope.  See above.  Have you heard the PRO900?  I'm not being facetious; the opinion in the PRO900 thread is very polarized, but the consensus seems to be that while the Pants of Thunder deliver some pretty decent bass, it's comparatively muddy and it's more of a midcentric can, being based on the TR50P.

 

Back on topic, though, it seems like no one in here has heard both the PRO900 and the Editions.  I may have to go looking elsewhere for opinions.  I'm gonna stick around this thread, though...i'm looking forward to opinions of the ProSig.

post #107 of 2061
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The PRO900 compares almost directly to the 2900. Imagine the 2900, but closed and all that it implies--not quite as airy, probably a 20% (qualitative estimate) increase in bass quantity, and slightly more sparkly highs.  The mids are a little more recessed on the 900 due to the highs and lows being more pronounced--they're the same driver, so their FR are actually pretty similar.  Of these, I've actually heard both and probably would have bought the 2900 if I could use open cans.

 

Reading reviews on the wood AT's sounds like I would have the same problem I have with my 225i--lack of the bass extension I'm looking for.  I considered the D7000, but I'm not sure it has the top-end excitement that I want. 

 



That's what I assumed, but looking through some of the PRO 2900 appreciation threads, it seems some head-fiers are really emphasizing the difference between them. I've been assured by some owners that the difference is night and day, but honestly I'm skeptical about that.

 

Having listened to both the PRO 2900 and the Editions, I'd say the Editions are a good bet if you're looking for a similar impactful low-end, but want a more lush midrange and better highs. I've always found the 2900 to be a bit too strident at the top, and I sometimes feel this way with the Edition 8 depending on the setup. I'd say in my experience the 8 is hotter at the top than the 9.

 

As for the W1000X, I assure you it's not lacking in bass extension. I realize there's a stereotypical AT "house sound" that gets perpetuated a lot, but in my opinion that's bogus. The W1000X for one is actually very bassy. Too bassy for some people who prefer the "usual" AT sound, in fact. The problem is ATs are extremely picky about amping, and it's very easy to get a synergistic mismatch. Not trying to make an excuse for them: that's obviously not one of their better qualities. But there you go.

post #108 of 2061

@MuppetFace

I know this is off topic but you seem to know quite a bit about Ultrasone so you're probably the right person to ask. The Edition 8's, could you describe to me their sound please. Is it the stereotypical Ultrasone house sound or are they a huge departure from what Ultrasone is known for? Another thing I'm curious about, in you're opinion is there a noticeable difference when their amped and if so are they the kind of headphone that's hard to match up with a good mobile DAC/amp setup? I've read some Edition 8 threads but I take any information from those threads with a grain of salt. I stopped reading them when some of the fan boys began comparing them to the Senn HD800 and LCD2's and began to say there was no question the Edition 8 was a superior headphone in all categories. rolleyes.gif

post #109 of 2061

Playback's guide to Fullsize Headphones http://www.avguide.com/buyers-guide/the-playback-guide-full-size-headphones

 

 

Jump to the page and download the 30 megabyte Adobe file.  The Playback Guide to Full-Size Headphones is a comprehensive online buyer’s guide that helps audio enthusiasts and music lovers choose among the latest high-performance full-size and noise cancelling headphones, with models ranging in price from under $30 to almost $2000.
 
It includes:
• Twenty-four (24) expert reviews of full-size headphones in three categories (under $200; $200 to $650; over $650)
• Seven (7) expert reviews of noise cancelling headphones
• Practical buying tips from the staff of Playback
• Previews of new headphones about to be introduced
 

Last review is of the ED8.  It also reviews most of the top tier headphones, as well as plenty of less expensive headphones. You might be interested.

headphones from $700 on up

Audeze LCD-2

Audeze Follow-Up: Audeze’s Revision 2 Drivers for the LCD-2

Audio-Technica ATH-W5000

Beyerdynamic T5P

Beyerdynamic T1 Tesla

Denon AH-D7000

Grado PS1000

HiFiMAN HE-500

HiFiMAN HE-6

Sennheiser HD800

Stax SR-007 Omega Reference Series II Headphone/SRM-007 tII Energiser

Ultrasone Limited Edition 8


Edited by Kernmac - 11/19/11 at 1:44am
post #110 of 2061

Yes, I used to own them.
 

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Have you heard the PRO900? 

 



 

post #111 of 2061

 

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 it seems like no one in here has heard both the PRO900 and the Editions


I have owned both but not at the same time. I thought the PRO 900 was great at first but the wow factor quickly wore off and they started sounding too artificial and v-shaped for me. So I sold them off and picked up the Edition 8, there's no contest IMO. The Edition 8 is on a whole 'nother level and are definitely keepers, at least for me. The FR is much more even as the midrange is more fairly represented and the music sounds much more true to life with them overall. There's a huge difference in build quality/quality of materials as well.


Edited by grokit - 11/19/11 at 1:44pm
post #112 of 2061

I still own both. The E8 is better for all round listening while I only use the Pro900 for EDM or gaming (they excel at both). I don't think you could have the lows of the Pro on the E8 as that would just ruin the balance. 

post #113 of 2061

I think it's all about perspective. The Edition 8 is more neutral than the PRO 2900 (and I presume PRO 900), but it's not what I'd call a neutral headphone. The lows are going to be more similar to the PRO 2900 than, say, a T1 would be.

post #114 of 2061
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@MuppetFace

I know this is off topic but you seem to know quite a bit about Ultrasone so you're probably the right person to ask. The Edition 8's, could you describe to me their sound please. Is it the stereotypical Ultrasone house sound or are they a huge departure from what Ultrasone is known for? Another thing I'm curious about, in you're opinion is there a noticeable difference when their amped and if so are they the kind of headphone that's hard to match up with a good mobile DAC/amp setup? I've read some Edition 8 threads but I take any information from those threads with a grain of salt. I stopped reading them when some of the fan boys began comparing them to the Senn HD800 and LCD2's and began to say there was no question the Edition 8 was a superior headphone in all categories. rolleyes.gif



Like I said above, it's kind of a perspective thing. Within Ultrasone's own line, the Edition 8 isn't a huge departure in my opinion. The low-end is going to have that characteristic wow-factor Ultrasone is known for. The high end is going to be a bit harsh on some setups as Ultrasone can be. The quality however is, as others have stated, a cut above anything in the PROline. Is the Edition 8 better than other Editions like the 9? Personally, I prefer the coloration of the latter. It's more hypnotic. I wouldn't call the Edition 8 transparent though. Anyone who is looking for transparency is better served elsewhere, imo. Really, don't go near Ultrasones if coloration bothers you.

 

The Edition 8 sounds decent without an amp, but they DO change depending on amp and source. On some systems they become rather strident and unpleasant. On others they're toned down and much more enjoyable. I've always found them to be a bit on the hot side-- so you may want a source/amp that isn't overly bright or revealing to tone them down. That's why Ultrasones traditionally pair well with Rudistor amps (though I personally wouldn't buy one for QC issues, but that's another topic I don't want to get into).

 

I can't say what a good mobile DAC/amp setup for them would be, as I'm not into mobile listening. Sorry!

 

As for the Edition 8 being superior, again, it's just the usual head-fi blather. I think some head-fiers confuse their preferences for actual measurable performance. Just remember that most people are speaking about their personal aural preferences, whether they choose to acknowledge it or not.


Edited by MuppetFace - 11/19/11 at 5:34pm
post #115 of 2061


I had a similar experience.  I had the pro900s for a few months.  I held on to them much longer than I should have, because I really tried to like them.  The fr was just too U shaped for me to enjoy them, I actually preferred my DT770s w/ j$$ pads from which I had upgraded from.   Then I went to the store and picked up an edition 8 and fell in love instantly, bought it within a week.  I went back in forth w/ the pro900s and edition 8 then and imo they do sound kinda similar, except the bass wasn bloomed out of control and the treble wasn't as harsh.  I also felt my edition 8s were just more responsive and much more detailed.  On the down side the edition 8s lacked extension in bass n treble relative to the pro900.

 

I honestly don't know why everyone raves about the pro900 so much, i think more value could be had for alot cheaper w/ a dt770, d2k, or a thunderpants

 

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I have owned both but not at the same time. I thought the PRO 900 was great at first but the wow factor quickly wore off and they started sounding too artificial and v-shaped for me. So I sold them off and picked up the Edition 8, there's no contest IMO. The Edition 8 is on a whole 'nother level and are definitely keepers, at least for me. The FR is much more even as the midrange is more fairly represented and the music sounds much more true to life with them overall. There's a huge difference in build quality/quality of materials as well.



 

post #116 of 2061
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Like I said above, it's kind of a perspective thing. Within Ultrasone's own line, the Edition 8 isn't a huge departure in my opinion. The low-end is going to have that characteristic wow-factor Ultrasone is known for. The high end is going to be a bit harsh on some setups as Ultrasone can be. The quality however is, as others have stated, a cut above anything in the PROline. Is the Edition 8 better than other Editions like the 9? Personally, I prefer the coloration of the latter. It's more hypnotic. I wouldn't call the Edition 8 transparent though. Anyone who is looking for transparency is better served elsewhere, imo. Really, don't go near Ultrasones if coloration bothers you.

 

The Edition 8 sounds decent without an amp, but they DO change depending on amp and source. On some systems they become rather strident and unpleasant. On others they're toned down and much more enjoyable. I've always found them to be a bit on the hot side-- so you may want a source/amp that isn't overly bright or revealing to tone them down. That's why Ultrasones traditionally pair well with Rudistor amps (though I personally wouldn't buy one for QC issues, but that's another topic I don't want to get into).

 

I can't say what a good mobile DAC/amp setup for them would be, as I'm not into mobile listening. Sorry!

 

As for the Edition 8 being superior, again, it's just the usual head-fi blather. I think some head-fiers confuse their preferences for actual measurable performance. Just remember that most people are speaking about their personal aural preferences, whether they choose to acknowledge it or not.



Thanks you've given a lot for me to think about. The Edition 8 seems like my kind of headphone I just wish it wasn't so freaking expensive. Oh well, as much as I'm put off by the huge price tag maybe one day I'll luck out and find a used set that's in good condition and isn't outrageously priced. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed I'll one day own both a Edition 8 and a Joe Grado smile.gif

post #117 of 2061

Just keep an eye out, I got a great deal on my E8 from the FS forums.

 

One thing I'd say about the bass, it's obviously not as powerful as the Pro900 but it's by no means weak. However, to fully appreciate the bass you need to get a good seal. Watch out for a gap between where your ears stop and your jaw line starts.

 

I use mine portably with an ipod classic, Headstage Arrow and 320kbps. Does the job.

post #118 of 2061

 

Yeah... some crazy deals on the Edition 8 come up every now and then. I think someone in this thread mentioned they got theirs for around a grand. So long as you can live without the fancy wood inlay version, you should be able to find a new or used one for a lot less.

 

Also you may want to give the Signature Pro a chance, hear what people have to say about it. Should be out this December.

post #119 of 2061
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Yeah... some crazy deals on the Edition 8 come up every now and then. I think someone in this thread mentioned they got theirs for around a grand. So long as you can live without the fancy wood inlay version, you should be able to find a new or used one for a lot less.

 

Also you may want to give the Signature Pro a chance, hear what people have to say about it. Should be out this December.


Well right now I'm playing the patience is a virtue game. I spent my cash this past summer on some mobile headphone gear, two Sony XB headphones and 3 IEM's. Generally solid entry level and fun sounding gear but nothing fancy. The plan is to move up the ladder next summer so I'm just researching for now and enjoying what I have for the winter. I got some big plans for next summer though. If all goes well I'll have a Grado PS500 or RS1i (haven't decided yet) headphone and the Sony EX 1000 and XB-4 IEM's in my collection. If I can figure out a way to get a Tri-Fi 10 delivered to Canada during the possible 99 dollar black Friday sale I would be a happy head-fier. Next summer would be nice to try and maybe expand into something completely different from what I'm used to though. Maybe a nice AKG or Ultrasone or both would fill that gap, we'll see.

 

post #120 of 2061
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Well right now I'm playing the patience is a virtue game. I spent my cash this past summer on some mobile headphone gear, two Sony XB headphones and 3 IEM's. Generally solid entry level and fun sounding gear but nothing fancy. The plan is to move up the ladder next summer so I'm just researching for now and enjoying what I have for the winter. I got some big plans for next summer though. If all goes well I'll have a Grado PS500 or RS1i (haven't decided yet) headphone and the Sony EX 1000 and XB-4 IEM's in my collection. If I can figure out a way to get a Tri-Fi 10 delivered to Canada during the possible 99 dollar black Friday sale I would be a happy head-fier. Next summer would be nice to try and maybe expand into something completely different from what I'm used to though. Maybe a nice AKG or Ultrasone or both would fill that gap, we'll see.

 


Sounds like a good plan. Just recently heard the PS500, and I was really impressed. Not sure if AKG really has anything too interesting at the moment, but be on the look out for the K550. Assuming it ever comes out.

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