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KneelJung 
Interesting thread Elysian. I dont know how you can keep politics out of it when in the long run the fundamental problems of both the national economy and the global economy are political in nature. I'd really like to hear the perceptions and impressions of people in the EU too as it seems countries from the EU have some serious obstacles to overcome. While countries like Brazil and India are expanding.
I think you're probably right about the discussion. My fear with politics/economics discussions is that they end up getting very polarizing, but I suppose there are more sensitive topics which regularly get discussed here. I think we should open it up, though, if anyone is interested in an open discussion on macroeconomics and policies :)
I think you've cut to the heart of the problem the US is facing, and that no one seems to have a clear answer to. It seems most people agree that it's healthy for a country to have a certain proportion of debt (corporations do it all the time to manage risk and accelerated growth), but it's unclear at what point does outside investment become an albatross, even for the largest economy in the world. We still seem to have no real plan to get our current spending to net zero (coupled with our interest/loan obligations). From what the CEOs of Fortune 50s and small businesses are saying, they're not looking for tax cuts or hiring incentives, but rather the simple matter is that there just isn't enough demand out there for them to expand hiring and manufacturing/services. There's a lot of contention as to why demand has flattened out, which is fueling a lot of the angry debates, but it seems like the way things will shake out is that one party had its chance to try its policies, the other party will get its shot in 2 years, and then the truly scary thing is if both parties have the wrong answer.
Everyone's stories are both interesting and sobering, and I'm glad people feel comfortable with being so frank about their situations. We've tried to curtail our spending, too, from less eating out and going out for entertainment, to more coupon clipping and rebate hunting, and trying to make old, used stuff (clothing, appliances) stretch out longer. The thing seems to be that many of us seem like we're just treading water, and I'm worried whether a 401k will stop making financial sense, or if this is just another market downturn, albeit longer and deeper than past ones.