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post #181 of 285
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Which expensive source have you tested in your regular setup with your regular source? Please describe your impressions. What are the prices of those tested?

 

If you can't answer, you have no business making the above statement.


To be fair, I've heard a few high-end DACs that were voiced to sound warmer and more rolled-off than what I would consider neutral. I'm taking about a "house sound" sort of thing. I'm not naming them publicly though. You can PM me if you really want to know.
Edited by purrin - 9/13/11 at 12:05pm
post #182 of 285
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Expensive sources are really overrated. Most modern digital sources are, for practical purposes, perfect. So expensive sources have to distinguish themselves through coloration


Well, that and a 1" thick CNC-milled aluminum faceplate.
post #183 of 285
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To be fair, I've heard a few high-end DACs that were voiced to sound warmer and more rolled-off than what I would consider neutral. I'm taking about a "house sound" sort of thing. I'm not naming them publicly though. You can PM me if you really want to know.


 

I owned a portable amp made in the late 90s ( I won't name them biggrin.gif) that was rolled off at the highs just to make portable CD players sound tolerable from my ER4S.

post #184 of 285
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Well, that and a 1" thick CNC-milled aluminum faceplate.


That is hilariously true. Uncle Erik, I think we are waging a losing struggle with listeners who think they can hear jitter, and two feet of power cord in a 150  mile power line. And who think that better looking gear sounds better, and better still if it costs more.

 

When are audio enthusiasts going to learn to choose gear with their eyes closed and their ears open?

 


Edited by Clarkmc2 - 9/13/11 at 10:18pm
post #185 of 285

Hey, there's pride on the line :p

post #186 of 285

Stax are really overrated. Whoever first made claims to their superiority must have been out of his mind I tell you! Boring, lifeless, totally unengaging. My dynamic Audio-Technica AD2000 is the complete opposite and remains my all-time favorite headphone. The folks who go on and on about electrostats have to be deluded in their thinking. Stats might play music but they have no soul. The only headphones I've heard that have soul are the AD2K and Grado HP1000, which, incidentally enough, are dynamic.

 

I feel totally ripped off right now and will be selling all of my electrostatic gear after RMAF. I'll say it again, Stax are vastly overrated on this forum. Dynamic is better.

 

(Actually, just kidding with the above, hah!) :p
 

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That is hilariously true. Uncle Erik, I think we are waging a losing struggle with listeners who think they can hear jitter, and two feet of power cord in a 150  mile power line. And who think that better looking gear sounds better, and better still if it costs more.

 

When are audio enthusiasts going to learn to choose gear with their eyes closed and their ears open?


If audiophiles chose gear with their ears only, that would be just as misguided. Do you have any idea how easy it would be for a vendor to make a shoddy piece of gear that still sounds good to at least one person? Audiophiles need to choose gear with their eyes, ears, and brains. Don't buy blindly based on either aesthetics or sound, or both - it should be what's inside that counts.


Edited by Asr - 9/13/11 at 10:48pm
post #187 of 285
Steve, will you have your AD2ks at the show? If you are so adamant about them I'd love to give them a listen. I've kind of tossed off the idea of full size headphones giving me the presentation I wanted in favor of IEMs, but I always keep an open mind.
post #188 of 285
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Steve, will you have your AD2ks at the show? If you are so adamant about them I'd love to give them a listen. I've kind of tossed off the idea of full size headphones giving me the presentation I wanted in favor of IEMs, but I always keep an open mind.


http://www.head-fi.org/t/556674/start-making-your-plans-for-2011-canjam-rmaf-rocky-mountain-audio-fest/120#post_7724116

post #189 of 285

Shakti stones,crystals,pyramids and voodoo in general

post #190 of 285
I agree, Asr. And we have plenty of shoddy gear in nice cases. Though more insidious is when an old, reliable and pretty good circuit is dressed up in a gorgeous case, stuffed with exotic parts and sold at a steep premium. Yeah, it will work fine and honestly sound good. But people heap praise on it because it looks good and was expensive. They have no idea that its circuit has been kicking around for decades and that equal performance can be had for a few hundred.

This also relates to my pet theory about why DIY isn't more popular. DIY has great circuits, great sound and is very cost effective. You'd think it'd be hugely popular. It isn't because the casework is usually fair to poor. If someone supplied gorgeous cases, DIY would become a lot more popular.
post #191 of 285

Ah! I had read that post, but at the time I wasn't looking for the AD2K.
post #192 of 285


Nearly crapped in my pants.

 

 

Good one!
 

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Stax are really overrated. Whoever first made claims to their superiority must have been out of his mind I tell you! Boring, lifeless, totally unengaging. My dynamic Audio-Technica AD2000 is the complete opposite and remains my all-time favorite headphone. The folks who go on and on about electrostats have to be deluded in their thinking. Stats might play music but they have no soul. The only headphones I've heard that have soul are the AD2K and Grado HP1000, which, incidentally enough, are dynamic.

 

I feel totally ripped off right now and will be selling all of my electrostatic gear after RMAF. I'll say it again, Stax are vastly overrated on this forum. Dynamic is better.

 

(Actually, just kidding with the above, hah!) :p
 


If audiophiles chose gear with their ears only, that would be just as misguided. Do you have any idea how easy it would be for a vendor to make a shoddy piece of gear that still sounds good to at least one person? Audiophiles need to choose gear with their eyes, ears, and brains. Don't buy blindly based on either aesthetics or sound, or both - it should be what's inside that counts.



 

post #193 of 285
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

I agree, Asr. And we have plenty of shoddy gear in nice cases. Though more insidious is when an old, reliable and pretty good circuit is dressed up in a gorgeous case, stuffed with exotic parts and sold at a steep premium. Yeah, it will work fine and honestly sound good. But people heap praise on it because it looks good and was expensive. They have no idea that its circuit has been kicking around for decades and that equal performance can be had for a few hundred.

This also relates to my pet theory about why DIY isn't more popular. DIY has great circuits, great sound and is very cost effective. You'd think it'd be hugely popular. It isn't because the casework is usually fair to poor. If someone supplied gorgeous cases, DIY would become a lot more popular.

Most people are intimidated by electronics these days, no thanks to all the stickers everywhere that say "Do not open, risk of electric shock and death". It's really amusing how many people think that if you remove the case of a CRT it'll, like, shoot lightning bolts at you or something. When I tell people I know how to repair them I get these really amazed looks as if I had the cure for cancer or something.

But while we're on the topic, do you have any links to any decent DIY designs? The only one I've seen around is the CMOY, which I don't want to bother with (for various reasons).
Edited by Manyak - 9/14/11 at 5:46am
post #194 of 285

Will you build me a DIY T2 then ? ;)

 

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Most people are intimidated by electronics these days, no thanks to all the stickers everywhere that say "Do not open, risk of electric shock and death". It's really amusing how many people think that if you remove the case of a CRT it'll, like, shoot lightning bolts at you or something. When I tell people I know how to repair them I get these really amazed looks as if I had the cure for cancer or something.

But while we're on the topic, do you have any links to any decent DIY designs? The only one I've seen around is the CMOY, which I don't want to bother with (for various reasons).


 

post #195 of 285
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

If someone supplied gorgeous cases, DIY would become a lot more popular.

 

I think the demise of DIY is more of a general cultural change, brought on by the disappearance of manufacturing industry.  Back in the day the average joe either worked a manufacturing job or had brothers or neighbors who did, and making something himself was a default instinct.  My grandfathers were typical.  They made everything themselves - toys for the kids, windows for the house, all of it - because they were totally comfortable with the process.  All day long they saw steel go in one end of the factory and finished goods come out the other.  People don't see that anymore, so the default instinct is fading away.
 

 

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