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post #151 of 196

Quote: only rap/hip hop and Rnb/ pop.

 

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Originally Posted by wink View Post

 

If that's all you listen to, forget Hifi and go buy yourself the Beats by Dr. Dre...

 

You're wasting your time here...   seriously.

 

     Totally agree!

However, it sounds like you are a Grado man - then I would also recommend the Grado HF-2


Edited by charliex - 6/17/12 at 6:21pm
post #152 of 196
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

 

 While the RS-1's, and SR-507's can sound a hair "thin" sometimes -

rs1 or rs1i, the complete opposite of thin.

post #153 of 196
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

rs1 or rs1i, the complete opposite of thin.

 

they... "sound a hair thin"... when compared to the PS500's, HE500's, "new version" HD580/HD600/HD650's... and even the AD2000's - although, not "emaciated, or anorexic."  Just a bit "lean" in comparison.

 

Or... in the inverse... the PS500's sound a wee bit "thick," although not "obese, or bullimic."  Just a bit "phat" in comparison.


Edited by Gradofan2 - 6/22/12 at 8:22pm
post #154 of 196
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

I recall a lot of your impressions, my are pretty at the same level.

 

When you listen to HD800 you listen to HD800, which means, they tell you how they think it should sound like. Natural and life like? Sorry, but that’s something that I can't even think about. Their 3D presentation, no matter what kind of the record you use, let musicians flying around, creating very artificial feeling of space, which is nothing to do with the reality of wide and deep staging. If you want the natural and real presentation, listen to K1000 ones, so, your idea about HD800 may change for life.

 

Listen to PS1000 is very different experience, they are intimate and warm when need it, beautiful midrange, simply seductive voice reproduction. They are punchy and powerful when asking, low end is incredible, deep, articulate and detailed. The instrument separation and musician placement very precise and easy to visualize. These headphones have it all and if I wasn’t that crazy about K1000 they would be my choice.

 

But before all that, make sure your source and amp are equally good, otherwise just forget it.

 

I will repeat myself ones again, go and listen to both of them, next to each other, because no matter what man says, include me, your own ears and  brains are the only 2 friends you got, the rest is just other man opinion.

 

 

Agree - re: the PS1000's - as described above simply SUPERB in all respects!  

 

And... the PS500's are amazingly close to the PS1000's - a wee bit less soundstage and space around the instruments - but, also SUPERB!  And... if... you use the G Cushions (stadium pads), they have virtually the same soundstage as the PS1000's.

 

Very few phones come anywhere close to these!

 

The HD800 sounds "dull" and unimpressive compared to either of these - though, I heard them with the HA-1 and DacMagic Plus amps, which no doubt was not the best match with the Senns.


Edited by Gradofan2 - 6/30/12 at 1:14pm
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Does anyone know if the PS500's sound OK with the Pico Slim + ipod ?

post #156 of 196
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Does anyone know if the PS500's sound OK with the Pico Slim + ipod ?

 

I would guess they will sound fine - they're pretty efficient and don't need a lot of power.  They sound great with my Shellbrook MaxiMoy (portable) and Sony Walkman CDP (portable).  Though, they obviously sound better with my WA6 SEm, and Millett MiniMax.  

 

But... if... you're using the iPod's DAC, and MP3 files... you're not going to get their best sound - you need a better DAC and WAV or FLAC, or possibly AICC or  ALAC files.

post #157 of 196

Hi Gradofan2,

Thanks for the info. At the moment my portable gear is Shure se535's + Pico Slim + ipod and while I'm very happy with the se535's SQ, for me they do start to become uncomfortable after about an hour so I'm looking for an headphone that will go on my ears as opposed to in, I also want to be able to hear faintly the surroundings, i.e traffic for safety reasons. Until I receive the BHSE, for home use I'm using my se535's + Pico Slim with my K-01 and the SQ is quite amazing so I'm sure the PS500's will be just as good if I decided to use it with the K-01, but when I have the BHSE I'll be listening to that with my SR-009's + K-01 for home use, however there's no reason why I can't at times listen to the PS500's via my Pico Slim + K-01, but they'll mostly be for portable use.

 

                                                                                                                                    Dave.

 

P.S. Next year I'll probably end up adding the Algorhythm solo to my portable gear.

post #158 of 196
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

 

I would guess they will sound fine - they're pretty efficient and don't need a lot of power.  They sound great with my Shellbrook MaxiMoy (portable) and Sony Walkman CDP (portable).  Though, they obviously sound better with my WA6 SEm, and Millett MiniMax.  

 

But... if... you're using the iPod's DAC, and MP3 files... you're not going to get their best sound - you need a better DAC and WAV or FLAC, or possibly AICC or  ALAC files.

 

 Well put, Gradofan2, you always need a more potent DAC and amp to get the best out of the Grado's. Despite belief that there isn't much benefit from amping.

post #159 of 196
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Hi Gradofan2,

Thanks for the info. At the moment my portable gear is Shure se535's + Pico Slim + ipod and while I'm very happy with the se535's SQ, for me they do start to become uncomfortable after about an hour so I'm looking for an headphone that will go on my ears as opposed to in, I also want to be able to hear faintly the surroundings, i.e traffic for safety reasons. Until I receive the BHSE, for home use I'm using my se535's + Pico Slim with my K-01 and the SQ is quite amazing so I'm sure the PS500's will be just as good if I decided to use it with the K-01, but when I have the BHSE I'll be listening to that with my SR-009's + K-01 for home use, however there's no reason why I can't at times listen to the PS500's via my Pico Slim + K-01, but they'll mostly be for portable use.

 

                                                                                                                                    Dave.

 

P.S. Next year I'll probably end up adding the Algorhythm solo to my portable gear.

 

I would encourage you to get the SR-80i, or SR-225i for portable use for several reasons:

 

1. You're not going to obtain the optimum sound from more expensive phones with a portable setup - especially with MP3 files.

2. You're going to have a greater risk of damaging your phones in portable use - so, you don't want a major investment in them.

3. "High-end" phones, as the PS500's are, are going to be the target of theives, whether while you're wearing them, or otherwise.

 

There are probably a lot of other reasons... but... there is no point in investing in phones, which you're not going to be able to use to their optimum (investment wasted)... and... the 80i's, or 225i's are going to sound just about as good and are not going to be as much a loss if they're damaged, or stolen.

 

Upgrade to the PS500's, when you're ready to invest in a better set up, which is not portable.


Edited by Gradofan2 - 6/30/12 at 1:12pm
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I would encourage you to get the SR-80i, or SR-225i for portable use for several reasons:

 

1. You're not going to obtain the optimum sound from more expensive phones with a portable setup - especially with MP3 files.

2. You're going to have a greater risk of damaging your phones in portable use - so, you don't want a major investment in them.

3. "High-end" phones, as the PS500's are, are going to be the target of theives, whether while you're wearing them, or otherwise.

 

There are probably a lot of other reasons... but... there is no point in investing in phones, which you're not going to be able to use to their optimum (investment wasted)... and... the 80i's, or 225i's are going to sound just about as good and are not going to be as much a loss if they're damaged, or stolen.

 

Upgrade to the PS500's, when you're ready to invest in a better set up, which is not portable.

 

I've written in some of my posts that looks are very important to me in audio equipment and I like the PS500's. I've said I'll probably be using them for portable use but I might end up using them as much with my K-01, I'm also considering getting eventually the Headamp GS-X  if Justin can do it with a Silver faceplate + matt black enclosure. I really enjoy listening to music via headphones and I think it'd be good to be able to have a change every so often. Thank you for your suggestions regarding the SR80i's and SR225i's but neither appeal to me.


Edited by David1961 - 6/30/12 at 1:56pm
post #161 of 196
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Does anyone know if the PS500's sound OK with the Pico Slim + ipod ?

That would be a bad combo, you're combining a dry sounding amp with a Grado, I would suggest a JDS Labs c421 with the warmer OPA2227 opamp. An RSA Mustang maybe nice as well, most of their gear is on the warm side of neutral. Leckerton Audio makes some nice amps as well, you may want to check them out.

post #162 of 196
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

 

I would encourage you to get the SR-80i, or SR-225i for portable use for several reasons:

 

1. You're not going to obtain the optimum sound from more expensive phones with a portable setup - especially with MP3 files.

2. You're going to have a greater risk of damaging your phones in portable use - so, you don't want a major investment in them.

3. "High-end" phones, as the PS500's are, are going to be the target of theives, whether while you're wearing them, or otherwise.

 

There are probably a lot of other reasons... but... there is no point in investing in phones, which you're not going to be able to use to their optimum (investment wasted)... and... the 80i's, or 225i's are going to sound just about as good and are not going to be as much a loss if they're damaged, or stolen.

 

Upgrade to the PS500's, when you're ready to invest in a better set up, which is not portable.

 

I've written in some of my posts that looks are very important to me in audio equipment and I like the PS500's. I've said I'll probably be using them for portable use but I might end up using them as much with my K-01, I'm also considering getting eventually the Headamp GS-X  if Justin can do it with a Silver faceplate + matt black enclosure. I really enjoy listening to music via headphones and I think it'd be good to be able to have a change every so often. Thank you for your suggestions regarding the SR80i's and SR225i's but neither appeal to me.


Don't forget the open vs. closed argument, most choose closed for portable use.

post #163 of 196
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I don't see how you came to that "pretty close" conclusion. The HD800 is a high-impedance inefficient headphone and the PS1000 is a low-impedance, more efficient one. Each has very different amping requirements and the amp needs to be considered just as much as the headphone (along with the source, but that's another subject).

 

Opinions on each headphone are polarized too so I wouldn't really recommend just buying one unless you have plenty of spare time & money. Try to audition if possible. One way to do that is by attending a meet.

 

I've heard both, not at the same time though, and I'd call both of these headphones "bright" as far as that meaning relatively spiked treble. But that's about where the similarities end IMO, as the rest of their sound is very different. Grados are known for small-ish soundstages and the PS1000 is no different, while the HD800 has a distractingly large one IMO. Grados are also known for "forward" presentations which essentially means the upper mid-range is boosted for an in-your-face type quality, while the HD800 is very passive. I'd sum up the PS1000 as bright, forward/aggressive, & bassy, probably best for rock & metal music (especially with the default bowl pads) and the HD800 as bright, passive, and very open-sounding (as in the soundstage). Neither would be my recommendation for any kind of classical or jazz, as they both lack the mid-range qualities to accurately reproduce most acoustic instruments and their treble emphasis can cause a lot of other instruments to unnaturally screech, like violins.

Hi, Asr.

 

"Neither would be my recommendation for any kind of classical or jazz, as they both lack the mid-range qualities to accurately reproduce most acoustic instruments and their treble emphasis can cause a lot of other instruments to unnaturally screech, like violins."

 

For that kind of music, what would be your choice ?

 

Best

Kantx

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Hi, Asr.

 

"Neither would be my recommendation for any kind of classical or jazz, as they both lack the mid-range qualities to accurately reproduce most acoustic instruments and their treble emphasis can cause a lot of other instruments to unnaturally screech, like violins."

 

For that kind of music, what would be your choice ?

 

Best

Kantx

 

The Grado HP1000, but it's discontinued. Out of in-production headphones, I like the Fostex TH900 the most so far, though the cheaper TH600 isn't bad either.

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The Grado HP1000, but it's discontinued. Out of in-production headphones, I like the Fostex TH900 the most so far, though the cheaper TH600 isn't bad either.


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