Burson or Bitfrost - Page 2

Go the Bifrost, it's all about the stacking :)

Seriously, best to wait for some reviews of the Bifrost first.

Plus you'd be saving money which will go towards the lcd2s which imo will be the biggest upgrade overall.

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Originally Posted by Shike 

Anyone that would recommend the Bifrost before release is being disingenuous, however going by their amps I wouldn't expect much (I don't fully trust their products honestly).

 

However, the Bifrost seems to be the only DAC I know of that supports 24/192 over USB - take that for what it's worth I guess.

Im curious why you dont trust Schiit products. You can PM me if you dont want to take this thread off its tracks. Inquiring minds want to know. Do you know something I dont? I trust their products because of their experience doing this for so many years but what do I know. Obviously nobody has heard a bifrost so Im assuming nobody is out here recommending buying one.

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Originally Posted by Yikes 

The Benchmark was an OK (albeit over priced) DAC 2 or 3 years ago. I like many bought into the tremendous hype generated by numerous rave reviews and purchased a DAC 1. I found it a bit threadbare and analytical sounding. I tried for several months to build a system around the DAC 1's sound, but there is no turning a pigs ear into a silk purse. I sold it and moved on. Now it's three years further on and I seriously doubt that it's Cost/Performance ratio has improved.

 

The Schiit is at this point vaporware and I haven't heard the Burson, but I doubt that I would dislike either of them more than the DAC 1. IMO the DAC 1 was over-rated 3 years ago, now it's just a has been.

I was very disappointed with Benchmark, to put it mildly. I had it next to my almost 20yr old CAL Alpha and Alpha walked all over Benchmark in pretty much all aspects. Benchmark is a cheap tool for audio engineers. I am bewildered every year I see it getting a Class A rating in Stereophile - you wonder if the magazine is getting serious ad money from Benchmark.

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Originally Posted by Willakan 

I think I'll bugger off at this point before I derail the thread/outstay my welcome, but I'm afraid I'm with the Benchmark engineer on that one. The day high end power cables are proven to work is the day I burn all the books in my house that make passing reference to physics.

And of course I haven't heard the Bifrost, I'm just going by how they say they've designed it, which to my mind doesn't make a whit of sense from an audio quality perspective.

EE student? Have you taken quantum physics offered by the EE department? Can you not think of just one factor that a better-designed power cord could affect the performance of a linear power supply in a typical DAC?

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Originally Posted by chesebert 
EE student? Have you taken quantum physics offered by the EE department? Can you not think of just one factor that a better-designed power cord could affect the performance of a linear power supply in a typical DAC?

 

I promised I would bugger off...but...bleh. The answer to that question is "Nope." Assuming the power cord is of sufficient gauge, which rules out those made of silver-plated strands of unicorn hair, but not the one that came with my kettle.

I suppose you could have inexplicable high-frequency noise getting into it via the power cord which is so severe the transformer doesn't attenuate it (which seems somewhat unlikely) in which case the solution is a 5 dollar ferrite choke.

Ok your answer explains everything. I get it now - another "objectivist" with neither the brain nor the proper knowledge/education to properly think through a simple problem: what's the best way to transmit high powered 60hz sine wave.

Recommendation: read a book on Electromagnetic (pay attention to transmission line modeling) and one on quantum physics (pay attention to how electron interact in boundary conditions).

It's one thing to say several factors that could affect the performance of a power cable (i.e. can be calculated) should have no "real world"/measurable impact. It's quite another to say there are no factors.

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Originally Posted by Willakan 

 

I promised I would bugger off...but...bleh. The answer to that question is "Nope." Assuming the power cord is of sufficient gauge, which rules out those made of silver-plated strands of unicorn hair, but not the one that came with my kettle.

I suppose you could have inexplicable high-frequency noise getting into it via the power cord which is so severe the transformer doesn't attenuate it (which seems somewhat unlikely) in which case the solution is a 5 dollar ferrite choke.

 

Misappropriating science whilst simultaneously being monstrously condescending does not make you right.

It may amaze you to discover that whilst you can gibber inanely about things like skin effect or a thousand other things which are totally irrelevant for the application in question, it doesn't pass for intelligence.

If you somehow manage still manage to twist this into "Absolutely nothing about a power cable ("no factors") can affect the audio", which both manages to misunderstand my response and incredibly your own question, feel free to not PM me.

Dropping to insults in the first line of your post also neatly underscores the above.

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Originally Posted by chesebert 

Ok your answer explains everything. I get it now - another "objectivist" with neither the brain nor the proper knowledge/education to properly think through a simple problem: what's the best way to transmit high powered 60hz sine wave.

 

Recommendation: read a book on Electromagnetic (pay attention to transmission line modeling) and one on quantum physics (pay attention to how electron interact in boundary conditions).

 

It's one thing to say several factors that could affect the performance of a power cable (i.e. can be calculated) should have no "real world"/measurable impact. It's quite another to say there are no factors.

 

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Originally Posted by Willakan 

Misappropriating science whilst simultaneously being monstrously condescending does not make you right.

It may amaze you to discover that whilst you can gibber inanely about things like skin effect or a thousand other things which are totally irrelevant for the application in question, it doesn't pass for intelligence.

If you somehow manage still manage to twist this into "Absolutely nothing about a power cable ("no factors") can affect the audio", which both manages to misunderstand my response and incredibly your own question, feel free to not PM me.

 

Dropping to insults in the first line of your post also neatly underscores the above.

Ok, now you are putting words in my mouth. No where have I mentioned "skin effect" (not applicable to low frequency signals) nor have I mentioned anything about power cable affecting or not affecting audio (please don't construe this to mean power cable does or does not affect audio). You are obviously not an EE nor a EE student, so any further discussion is pointless (your knowledge is based on hearsay and not on the right set of theories, models and equations).

You know what, I was planning on putting into my post "I'm not implying that you are saying skin effect has anything to do with this particular issue," as you seem so preoccupied with grabbing the wrong end of the stick. I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, which was apparently a dreadfully bad idea. As to the remainder of your post, in its extraordinarily ironic condescension I don't think it merits much of a response. 

To conclude, you preserve the original bad tone of your previous post, whilst continuing to spectacularly miss the point. I leave you to your own inane dribblings.