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post #2026 of 2164
Hey all. I dont remember if i have posted before in these forums but i dont think i have...

Any who, i have the hfi 580's and the signature dj. I was impressed, lol
post #2027 of 2164
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post

Hey all. I dont remember if i have posted before in these forums but i dont think i have...

Any who, i have the hfi 580's and the signature dj. I was impressed, lol

Hey sloomingbla.

 

I have been a silent reader for a couple years now (and learned a lot!), haven't posted very often either. So I guess now's as good a time as any...

 

I currently own the HFI 580's and have been VERY satisfied with the product. It has withstood four full years of daily heavy usage and a fair share of toss-and-tumble as well. Once the burn in took effect (yes, I am a believer), this set became quite enjoyable for my music listening needs. But after four years of the same sound, I am long overdue for something much more refined. I am now looking into purchasing either the Signature Pro or Signature DJ (can't decide, but leaning towards the Pro so far...)

 

I am wondering what you think the main differences are between the 580 and DJ in terms of: bass impact/amount, lower mids, the notorious 2-6 kHz area, and treble? What about isolation with the plastic cups... any better? Is there any more ear room in the plastic cups vs the metal ones? What value would you give your Signature DJ purchase after using the 580's? (Edit: How does the S-Logic sound on the DJ's vs the 580's?)


Your feedback is appreciated, thanks!


Edited by radioscott1 - 11/17/13 at 7:05pm
post #2028 of 2164
Hey radioscott1

There are no "metal" cups, the 580's like my 780's are plastic with a thin aluminum skin.

Just sayin... biggrin.gif
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post #2029 of 2164
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

Hey radioscott1

There are no "metal" cups, the 580's like my 780's are plastic with a thin aluminum skin.

Just sayin... biggrin.gif
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Whaaaaat. Well, I guess I was fooled then. Thanks for the info!

post #2030 of 2164
The Signature Dj's have excellent isolation... Better than the hfi 580 by a noticable amount, but not a big enough difference to brag about.

The bass impact on these is amazing. Much better than the hfi 580's. There is a noticable amount more bass as well.... But although it is very noticable the instruments are seperated so well it doesnt effect the listening experience in a negative way... More of a feeling that the bass is 'full'.

Lower mids are more forward, and the biggest difference in sound signature for me was the lack of highs compared to the 580's, in a good way. I love the highs of the hfi 580's and it adds a feeling of detail, but comparing the highs of the signature dj in terms of listening pleasure, you simply cant is all i can say. They sound SO SMOOTH.

I thought the hfi 580's had a nice soundstage, a cool feeling that the music was 3 demensional. Signature dj has about 4-8x the size of the soundstage on the hfi 580's. The imaging is sublime.

I am holding back alot of emotion right now. I cant compare the hfi 580's to the signature dj in words... Its just not fair. They are better in absolutely every way and they will blow you away.

The sound signature barely matters right now as the seperation is so great....

I would get these headphones at 1,500$ if i had to... And i work a minimum wage job making 300$ a month, so that means alot. Took three months of work to get these.
post #2031 of 2164

I am going to Kuala Lumpur this weekend and would like to pick up a pair of ed8 remeos...does anyone know places were I can some?....the places I have seen online dont seem to cater for high end headphones like these.

post #2032 of 2164
I don't know how common or rare this is, but my ears apparently arent effected by slogic unless i put the headband towards the back of my head. By doing this the soundstage increases massively and i can even feel the bass a bit more. This happens for both my hfi 580's and my signature dj's... But i haven't noticed anything on other headphone brands when i do the same.

It increases the soundstage from about 1/2 a foot - foot from my head to around 3-4 feet...

Strange.
Edited by sloomingbla - 11/19/13 at 9:20am
post #2033 of 2164
This way you incrrase the slogic effect for your ears. Maybe the construction of your ears is slightly different from average. But anyways if it suit you, why not let it fly...
post #2034 of 2164
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 

When I had both the PRO 900 and the PRO 2900, I experimented a little with interchanging each others pads. And guess what:

the pads make most of the sound difference. The Pro 900 lost a lot of it's boominess but also got more mids and simply got more civilized  like the PRO 2900. The PRO 2900 in contrary lost its good manners and begun to go wild. In the end they share 99% of the parts only that one is open and the other one is closed. The PRO 900 pads are deeper the PRO 2900 pads are more shallow.

 

did the pad swap make them sound bad or just different? more similar?

did you also try to stick duct tape over the open grid of the 2900?

would it make sense to buy either the 900 or the 2900 + a second pair of pads? are the pads compatible?

i've always thought that pad-rolling is a great way to save money.

thanks for sharing your Ultrasone expertise. very useful informations.

post #2035 of 2164
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post

The Signature Dj's have excellent isolation... Better than the hfi 580 by a noticable amount, but not a big enough difference to brag about.

The bass impact on these is amazing. Much better than the hfi 580's. There is a noticable amount more bass as well.... But although it is very noticable the instruments are seperated so well it doesnt effect the listening experience in a negative way... More of a feeling that the bass is 'full'.

Lower mids are more forward, and the biggest difference in sound signature for me was the lack of highs compared to the 580's, in a good way. I love the highs of the hfi 580's and it adds a feeling of detail, but comparing the highs of the signature dj in terms of listening pleasure, you simply cant is all i can say. They sound SO SMOOTH.

I thought the hfi 580's had a nice soundstage, a cool feeling that the music was 3 demensional. Signature dj has about 4-8x the size of the soundstage on the hfi 580's. The imaging is sublime.

I am holding back alot of emotion right now. I cant compare the hfi 580's to the signature dj in words... Its just not fair. They are better in absolutely every way and they will blow you away.

The sound signature barely matters right now as the seperation is so great....

I would get these headphones at 1,500$ if i had to... And i work a minimum wage job making 300$ a month, so that means alot. Took three months of work to get these.

Thanks sloomingbla for your comments.

 

I believe isolation may play a more important role than I originally thought, so it's good to know that the Signature DJ/Pros will not fail to deliver an upgrade in that area.

 

You say that the Sig DJ's have noticeably more bass amount as well as more impact on the punch. I am not so sure that I will appreciate those qualities (as much) going into the future. I'm sure they would wow me initially, of course, but I am looking for a well-balanced sound with a decent amount of bass impact yet focuses more on the quality of the bass rather than the sheer amount. +1 for Signature Pro I would think.

 

Lower mids have always been a bit "concealed" on the 580's in my opinion, so some more presence in this area would be appreciated. Detail in the highs is definitely in my Top 3 needs list... if not #1. While I wouldn't want any of the detail I hear in this area from the 580's to disappear in the Sig DJ's, I do desire a much more extended treble. I think what you're saying is that the highs in the DJ are more listenable and enjoyable over longer listening periods than the 580's. Perhaps with a higher resolution? I'm trying to extract what you mean by "so smooth".

 

Wow, that imaging and soundstage sounds like it is truly a-ma-zing. It's difficult for me to imagine what that would actually sound like right now. Anyone here know how the Signature Pro compares to the Signature DJ in soundstage and imaging? How about instrument separation?

 

As far as things go right now, I am still leaning towards the Signature Pros. They appear to be more in line with my needs in various applications due to the more neutral/natural sound... and I love the black.

 

The Signature DJ headphones sound like a LOT OF FUN though. I hope to one day experience what they have to offer to my music collection.

post #2036 of 2164
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Originally Posted by radioscott1 View Post

Thanks sloomingbla for your comments.

I believe isolation may play a more important role than I originally thought, so it's good to know that the Signature DJ/Pros will not fail to deliver an upgrade in that area.

You say that the Sig DJ's have noticeably more bass amount as well as more impact on the punch. I am not so sure that I will appreciate those qualities (as much) going into the future. I'm sure they would wow me initially, of course, but I am looking for a well-balanced sound with a decent amount of bass impact yet focuses more on the quality of the bass rather than the sheer amount. +1 for Signature Pro I would think.

Lower mids have always been a bit "concealed" on the 580's in my opinion, so some more presence in this area would be appreciated. Detail in the highs is definitely in my Top 3 needs list... if not #1. While I wouldn't want any of the detail I hear in this area from the 580's to disappear in the Sig DJ's, I do desire a much more extended treble. I think what you're saying is that the highs in the DJ are more listenable and enjoyable over longer listening periods than the 580's. Perhaps with a higher resolution? I'm trying to extract what you mean by "so smooth".

Wow, that imaging and soundstage sounds like it is truly a-ma-zing. It's difficult for me to imagine what that would actually sound like right now. Anyone here know how the Signature Pro compares to the Signature DJ in soundstage and imaging? How about instrument separation?

As far as things go right now, I am still leaning towards the Signature Pros. They appear to be more in line with my needs in various applications due to the more neutral/natural sound... and I love the black.

The Signature DJ headphones sound like a LOT OF FUN though. I hope to one day experience what they have to offer to my music collection.

From what i have heard, the signature dj's have a larger soundstage, due to the differences in slogic. And if you are worried that the bass quality will be a problem as the signature dj has so much, the pro (from what i have heard) actually has deeper bass while the dj's have better impact. Or something like that.... Basically, the main differences between the two headphones as i understand are like this. The pro has more vocals, and the dj has more bass and highs (although the highs are still extreeeemmmeelllyyy smooth) and better soundstage as well as i have only heard a few times, so take this with a grain of salt, that the pro is less comfy.

Last downside to the pro vs dj is that the pro seems to be getting inconsistent reviews... Perhaps there is a lot of variation between headphones?

And once again, the dj's have such good instrument seperation that the bass DOES NOT intrude on anything else, it doesnt intrude at all, almost uncanny as if its using a seperate driver for the treble... It has zero intrusion. The hfi 580's seem like bass monsters if we are talking about how it effects the other sounds... Its not a WALL of bass from the dj's, like i said its almost like there is the same amount of bass but it just feels... Fuller.

Anyways, obviously i am biased as i have purchased the dj's and have NO regrets, but both headphones are amazing. Whatever you get, you will be one happy person, believe me. Make sure to get an amp to run either pair as well. Even my dirt cheap e11 makes them sound way better.

Also, if isolation isnt a huge factor as it is for me, try considering a th600 as well.
post #2037 of 2164
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post


From what i have heard, the signature dj's have a larger soundstage, due to the differences in slogic. And if you are worried that the bass quality will be a problem as the signature dj has so much, the pro (from what i have heard) actually has deeper bass while the dj's have better impact. Or something like that.... Basically, the main differences between the two headphones as i understand are like this. The pro has more vocals, and the dj has more bass and highs (although the highs are still extreeeemmmeelllyyy smooth) and better soundstage as well as i have only heard a few times, so take this with a grain of salt, that the pro is less comfy.

Last downside to the pro vs dj is that the pro seems to be getting inconsistent reviews... Perhaps there is a lot of variation between headphones?

And once again, the dj's have such good instrument seperation that the bass DOES NOT intrude on anything else, it doesnt intrude at all, almost uncanny as if its using a seperate driver for the treble... It has zero intrusion. The hfi 580's seem like bass monsters if we are talking about how it effects the other sounds... Its not a WALL of bass from the dj's, like i said its almost like there is the same amount of bass but it just feels... Fuller.

Anyways, obviously i am biased as i have purchased the dj's and have NO regrets, but both headphones are amazing. Whatever you get, you will be one happy person, believe me. Make sure to get an amp to run either pair as well. Even my dirt cheap e11 makes them sound way better.

Also, if isolation isnt a huge factor as it is for me, try considering a th600 as well.

Thanks sloomingbla for your additional comments.

 

I would really enjoy it if the new headphones could retain the same amount of bass my 580's have, while at the same time increasing the the bass range and texture/quality. That is definitely something I think I would appreciate with the Sig Pros.

 

However, increasing the treble range is possibly my #1 area of focus. Ever since listening to my old (sold) AKG K702's, extreme treble (19+ kHz in my eyes) has always felt quite lacking in the 580's. It has led to music sounding a bit muffled, almost as if it is trapped in a box. So when it comes to music listening, if I could get a better quality/same amount of bass and radically crisper treble, that would be a possible future-proof headphone for me.

 

Isolation is also a big factor for me so I don't think I'll end up going with anything that has less than stellar isolation.

post #2038 of 2164
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Originally Posted by radioscott1 View Post

Thanks sloomingbla for your additional comments.

I would really enjoy it if the new headphones could retain the same amount of bass my 580's have, while at the same time increasing the the bass range and texture/quality. That is definitely something I think I would appreciate with the Sig Pros.

However, increasing the treble range is possibly my #1 area of focus. Ever since listening to my old (sold) AKG K702's, extreme treble (19+ kHz in my eyes) has always felt quite lacking in the 580's. It has led to music sounding a bit muffled, almost as if it is trapped in a box. So when it comes to music listening, if I could get a better quality/same amount of bass and radically crisper treble, that would be a possible future-proof headphone for me.

Isolation is also a big factor for me so I don't think I'll end up going with anything that has less than stellar isolation.

I would recommend the pro then. And you can always eq the highs if you want them to be louder.. And you could also eq down the bass on the dj's and eq up the treble to still get the better soundstage and maybe comfort.

Those highs sound way too piercing to my ears. If u didnt want as huge of an upgrade i would have recommended a pro 900, lol.

I can understand wanting a huge boost in every way... And to put it simply, either the dj or pro WILL blow you away and i would just suggest buying a pair and returning it if you dont like it.

I cant think of any closed headphones at this price range that have piercing highs and the same amount of bass as the hfi 580's...
post #2039 of 2164
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post


I would recommend the pro then. And you can always eq the highs if you want them to be louder.. And you could also eq down the bass on the dj's and eq up the treble to still get the better soundstage and maybe comfort.

Those highs sound way too piercing to my ears. If u didnt want as huge of an upgrade i would have recommended a pro 900, lol.

I can understand wanting a huge boost in every way... And to put it simply, either the dj or pro WILL blow you away and i would just suggest buying a pair and returning it if you dont like it.

I cant think of any closed headphones at this price range that have piercing highs and the same amount of bass as the hfi 580's...

I'm not necessarily looking for "piercing" highs. Piercing = bad, in my opinion. It should be noted that I didn't exactly hear the K702's treble as "smooth". Although they did impress me with their sheer airiness, they were eventually too grating on the ears. And definitely not enough bass. That's why I sold them. Now, I'm just basically looking to get double the range of treble that my 580's have.

 

I guess if I don't have a problem EQing the bass down on the 580's, the same could be said for the Sig DJ's.

 

Now just wondering which Signature headphone will be best. It is so hard to decide. Perhaps that question can be answered by trying/returning but I don't know any stores in the Ontario Canada area that do that. Anyone know any reputable ones? Other than that, it might ultimately coming down to purchasing both headphones.  lol

post #2040 of 2164
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Originally Posted by radioscott1 View Post

I'm not necessarily looking for "piercing" highs. Piercing = bad, in my opinion. It should be noted that I didn't exactly hear the K702's treble as "smooth". Although they did impress me with their sheer airiness, they were eventually too grating on the ears. And definitely not enough bass. That's why I sold them. Now, I'm just basically looking to get double the range of treble that my 580's have.

I guess if I don't have a problem EQing the bass down on the 580's, the same could be said for the Sig DJ's.

Now just wondering which Signature headphone will be best. It is so hard to decide. Perhaps that question can be answered by trying/returning but I don't know any stores in the Ontario Canada area that do that. Anyone know any reputable ones? Other than that, it might ultimately coming down to purchasing both headphones.  lol

That is actually what petiux (sorry if i spelled ur name wrong lol) ended up doing. He did it and was planning on returning one but he kept both, thats how dang good both are.

Really, dont worry too much about wether you like it or not, or which one you think is better, just get a pair. You will be blown away by the djs or pros...
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