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post #406 of 722
As long as its non-reflective jet black and functional I couldn't care less for the material biggrin.gif
post #407 of 722

After a few more hours, some more initial impressions...

 

Very initial thoughts are that I think I prefer the KGSSHV's presentation. Just seems more transparent and a somewhat cleaner sounding (without being thin in anyway). 

 

Again, I plan on this comparison taking several days so please bare with me as I get to know the LL more. I think I've got a good handle of the KGSSHV.

post #408 of 722

Now you need to compare with the LL2, but yeah, I generally agree with your assessments on those amps.

post #409 of 722

Cavalli did away with the clown nose on the LL2.

 

Been a fan of the occasional KG hardwood offerings. <<two thumbs way up!>>

post #410 of 722
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Now you need to compare with the LL2, but yeah, I generally agree with your assessments on those amps.

Wasn't there just the PCB lay out changed? Internal Bill of Material and netlists I presume are the same?

post #411 of 722

No sure exactly, but I do think the parts are still the same except for the layout. You wouldn't think taking care of stray capacitance would do that much, but it does. Ask Alex if you can get a demo if you are serious. I know he had a loaner floating around a while back, although I think he was hesitant to loan to certain people because he was afraid of random strangers literally pissing in the amp.

post #412 of 722
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

No sure exactly, but I do think the parts are still the same except for the layout. You wouldn't think taking care of stray capacitance would do that much, but it does. Ask Alex if you can get a demo if you are serious. I know he had a loaner floating around a while back, although I think he was hesitant to loan to certain people because he was afraid of random strangers literally pissing in the amp.

Have you done a direct A-B? Just curious? Parasitic capacitance can be a problem at higher speeds...MHz/GHz, but I wouldn't think so much at 20 - 20 000 Hz?

 

I'll shoot Alex a PM to see if the demo is still out there.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 8/28/13 at 7:12pm
post #413 of 722
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Have you done a direct A-B? Just curious?

 

I'll shoot Alex a PM to see if the demo is still out there.

I have. If you are serious, definitely look into it. 

post #414 of 722
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I have. If you are serious, definitely look into it. 

I'll shoot Alex a PM. My only worry is the dorks at Canadian Customs love charging HST (Harmonize provincial/federal sales tax...13%). Not sure how that would work. I shall look into it further.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 8/28/13 at 7:13pm
post #415 of 722
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Very nice sound actually. The mids are full and (sorry for the pun) "liquid". Very enticing mids. Bass seems to have depth and some heft; while on the KGSS it a bit too "tight" and thinner to my ears. The bass I think is better controlled and hits a harder with the KGSSHV. The treble on the LL seems very fluid as well and extends well with a slight smoothing. Overall a very nice presentation with an expansive sound stage that is enveloping. 

 
Thanks for these impressions.  In the bolded sentence, are you saying that the KGSSHV has better bass quality and impact than the LL?  Or were you comparing it to the KGSS?
post #416 of 722

And the quality and "trueness" of the recorded sound!

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661545/rmaf-2012-just-how-absolute-is-recorded-sound

 

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Radio_head--You never said a truer word! Like the advert for Linn Sondek --Rubbish in --rubbish out and Ivor was right. The first stage in any hi-fi system is the limiting factor on the resolution/ fidelity. And no that isn't subjective--its a scientific fact-think about it. That's why I spent so much on a completely open system so I was able to tell the limiting factor was the Stax-727-11 that I own and now heavily modded with more to come. I can hear the tiniest bit of noise/distortion and you don't cure that by "dumbing down" the equipment -so it sounds smoother you attack the fault and Rectify it and therefore achieve a higher fidelity simply because you have more musical resolution in your system. Sticking a "tube somewhere" / or rounding off the frequency response in   SS equipment via the use of small caps or resistance /capacitor frequency response shapers. is not achieving top fidelity.Many wont be happy about this but it is the down to earth truth.

post #417 of 722

Trueness=Natural sounding =as if it is a live recording=as it sounds in a concert.hall. The ability to hear and feel the extended harmonics of the instruments to their  full length. In other words what a human being should hear not a MK 10 Robot who has a systems analyzer connected to his ears and cant FEEL the music and never will.What robot can feel the emotion from the music??? .You are dissing all the great composers and all the other humans on  this planet. If you want to turn yourself into a robot -be my guest. But there are 1000s on Head-Fi who are subjective and always will be subjective because they are flesh and blood. not a PCB . If you only allow science then you fail when judging people . Science is faulty. Why dont you admit you are made of flesh and blood and act/think/see subjectively? Try going a day without being subjective-

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Originally Posted by livewire View Post

Cavalli did away with the clown nose on the LL2.

Been a fan of the occasional KG hardwood offerings. <<two thumbs way up!>>

Yeah the mk2 has a more neutral design, but the LED's are now white, and the nice venting-hole-logo thing is gone...
post #419 of 722

You seemed to have missed the point completely i'm afraid eek.gif

No idea where robots would come into this at all - in fact the point is that its all subjective.

 

There is in most cases no absolute recorded sound as its usually manipulated in some way by the recording engineer to fit his subjective impression or brief of what needs to be reproduced.

I would recommend anyone wanting to hold up a recording as being realistic to watch this facinating presentation by John Atkinson, Editor-in-Chief, Stereophile Magazine.

He demonstrates that nothing is real and how the recording art affects what you think you hear

 

 

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Trueness=Natural sounding =as if it is a live recording=as it sounds in a concert.hall. The ability to hear and feel the extended harmonics of the instruments to their  full length. In other words what a human being should hear not a MK 10 Robot who has a systems analyzer connected to his ears and cant FEEL the music and never will.What robot can feel the emotion from the music??? .You are dissing all the great composers and all the other humans on  this planet. If you want to turn yourself into a robot -be my guest. But there are 1000s on Head-Fi who are subjective and always will be subjective because they are flesh and blood. not a PCB . If you only allow science then you fail when judging people . Science is faulty. Why dont you admit you are made of flesh and blood and act/think/see subjectively? Try going a day without being subjective-

post #420 of 722

Complin- And the LPs/CDs produced by -LINN/ NAIM were recorded so that little "manipulation" was carried out  by those doing the recordings. And so sound "better". You  [like some others] keep on denying  subjectivism but we all live by it . It like denying you are human like those in sound science do . As soon as somebody mentions anything remotely sounding subjective you are "down their throats " in a flash. And yet , if you are honest --80% of posts on Head-Fi are Subjective and the poster is looking for a Subjective reply and yet you tell him to "forget what you hear" your ears are faulty in comparison to a spectrum analyzer.. Its as if you are trying to put over a Scientific philosophy Neo-Religious. Have they converted "the masses"??---NO they havent because the majority of posters just say---"I would rather believe    my ears"  Even the Church of Scientology lost its "star member"  

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