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post #16 of 27
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You are right about Sennheiser, the 4xx series look and sound pretty poor , almost unrecognisable against a product like the HD598/650.

Sony (the worlds biggest selling headphone manufacturer) are the same, they have a few pretty good cheapies , 570lp comes to mind but on the whole everything below 7506 level is average at best.

I dont think Hifiman are any different from the others as far as business practice goes , they offer good products at what seems like a great price but they are making their money on each pair sold, probably quite a good margin compared to the big boys.

Skullcandy are now officially the second biggest selling headphone manufacturer in the world, scary eh!

I see Skullcandys every day, on Emo chicks to businessmen in suits.

I think they sell well due to the colors they come in, simple.

I have a book on the Sony Design Centre and it has a bit on headphones, they had some cool concepts, one was headphones with changeable drivers for different genre's!

 

 

 

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by astroid View Post

I see Skullcandys every day, on Emo chicks to businessmen in suits.

I think they sell well due to the colors they come in, simple.


Heya,

 

I think they sell well because they're marketed well. You can sell anything if it's marketed well enough. You find them everywhere for sale. They're in magazines. They're on TV. They're in all the chains. Anyone who joins their product into Apple's hype instantly sells products, and Skull Candy has done that.

 

Very best,

post #18 of 27

What do you think of Grado labs?

post #19 of 27

I wonder what this means for the future of Mi-Fi and flagship range of headphones

if companies like Skullcandy continue to grow market share with no intention

of developing better products for the audio enthusiast.

 

If it's anything like the stereo audiophile market then it's a worry.

 

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by koolkat View Post

What do you think of Grado labs?


You ever seen a pair in a Walmart and some kids screaming, "Snap, those are dope!"

 

That pretty much should answer it.

 

Very best,

post #21 of 27

You have to love Grado, outside of a website - they don't advertise to

the best of my knowledge.

 

Word of mouth is still a powerful marketing tool.

 

Although I did hear that John Mayer is sponsored by

Alessandro! Not a fan, but good on him.

post #22 of 27

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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

The Sennheiser HD 515, HD 518, HD 201 and RS 110 are abominably bad. I simply cannot

understand how anyone could justify them as being anything but poor quality. And yet, the

HD 598, HD 600, HD 650 and HD 800 are highly respectable headphone models, the 598

650 especially I found to be quite impressive. (Yet to sample the others personally)

 

Where would you classify the hd595 ? They are not yet discontinued, they are still listed on the sennheiser website.

I'm disappointed with the cracking issue , I  got to "repair" them using some tape & some glue. When I  saw  here that all the headphones were cracking at the same place , i.e between the letter "n" & "h" I  felt that I  was cheated . I  believe this flaw was well known by sennheiser and  it was kept  purposely. 

Also I  wouldn't  "objectively" classify them as "accurate", as it is doing weird stuff to the sound, i.e smoothing everything ; so it's more for subjectives reasons that they are liked.

 

Also I  don't if you remarked this about the sennheiser iem  line:

- IE6 : circular shape

- IE7 : semi-circular shape , one part is round, the other is flat.

- IE8 : it's cubic , so only with flat faces.

So if it's the housing of the driver that makes the main difference in sound , I guess sennheiser must be quite laughing at suggesting different shapes, at quite different prices.

 

And the only difference between the hd595 & hd555 is a piece a foam.

 

I  must say I  do not like much the commercial practices of this brand.

 

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Originally Posted by astroid View Post
Skullcandy are now officially the second biggest selling headphone manufacturer in the world, scary eh!

 

What about ifrogz ? There's no skullcandy where I live, only ifrogz.

post #23 of 27

Headband cracking has been reported with the HD 650 also, in a few cases Sennheiser repaired them under warranty.

 

Can't comment on the HD 595, the 598 though sounded like an alternative to my K601 without the mandatory amping, making it more practical. 

post #24 of 27
sennheiser is one of the most overrated brand.
they make money just on the name of their handful of good cans.
people complain of Bose headphones that it's all marketing, but not of sennheiser.
it's hard to find any bad review of 95%of sennheisers.
just look at headroom .every headphone is like
' omg I can't believe so good headphones at such a price. man it's amazing, kudos to sennheiser ,this ,that.'
I say WTF.....
I even wonder if people actually HEAR the headphones they write about.
most just read reviews and buy them with nothing to compare them to and review them as out of world, out of galaxy.don't be out of your mind baby.
I may sound like am anti sennheiser weapons and tactics but I'm not.
the 500 have issue with build quality. u just paid handsome papers on it and u can't be sure if it will last or not. this isn't good.

on sub 200 headphones, I really appreciate denon. ,looks aside, they sound good and just LOOK flimsy.
post #25 of 27

Come on, man, if you're going to bring a thread back from the dead, at least write something constructive...

post #26 of 27
sorry buddy, didn't saw the date. I saw it in one of the new post's related discussion thread, I assumed it to be new.
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post
 

Heya,

 

I think it has to do a lot with "can it be mass produced and be profitable?" Or basically, will it simply keep your reputation in the market, while the rest of your products on the low end keep your financial flow up. I mean honestly, how many flagship headphones get sold compared to garbage ear buds that they produce en masse and have packaged with every single media playing device out there. They probably make more off the junk.

 

Plus, you have to have a secret weapon tucked away. Should a contender hit the market and take it by storm, you've got to be able to launch something better and at a price that competes. Imagine if Hifiman came out and dropped his flagships onto the market for like $300.

 

Very best,

 

I think it has to do a lot with "can it be mass produced and be profitable?" Or basically, will it simply keep your reputation in the market, while the rest of your products on the low end keep your financial flow up. 
Spot on. For instance Audio Technica Corp. lost money on W3000ANV. It was a reputation project.

 

Plus, you have to have a secret weapon tucked away.

 A miss. There are no secret weapons tucked away. The top end of the headphones market is very elitist. The development of new flagship headphones is an expensive proposition whether the manufacturer is a big company or a small enterprise. No board of directors would authorize a vast sum to be spent without an immediate cash flow ensuing. To give an example, Sony Corp. has been having financial problems for at least a decade, plus the post 2008 economic slowdown made the situation worse. If Sony had a great new headphones sitting on a shelf and ready to be put into production they would not have kept them sitting on that shelf, the moneys are desperately needed for Sony. The other big names headphones manufacturers are in a similar position; the profit margins on the flagship headphones are razor thin, if there are any. The top end cans are not, for any company, the bread and butter source of cash flow. No one could afford an unproductive investment to sit on a shelf.

 

Imagine if Hifiman came out and dropped his flagships onto the market for like $300.

 Let us not forget ' It is more expensive so it must be better [and reverse] ' valuation phenomenon. An average consumer would consider good headphones costing 300 dollars to be worse than bad headphones costing 500 dollars. And what about the problem, hysterical for us, he or she would face when confronted with Hifiman flagship and Beats both costing 300 dollars ?

 

P.S. I enjoyed and value your reviews.

Z.

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