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Open headphones with good sub bass?

post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 

As title says. Budget is upper midrange (K702-ish price range) and below - although I would like to hear of really good high-end open headphones with good bass so I have something to aim for I guess.

 

Thanks in advance for responses!!

post #2 of 44
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Originally Posted by cactus_farmer View Post

As title says. Budget is upper midrange (K702-ish price range) and below - although I would like to hear of really good high-end open headphones with good bass so I have something to aim for I guess.

 

Thanks in advance for responses!!


Heya,

 

Aim for LCD-2.

 

For mid-range, look at the Ultrasone PRO 2900.

 

Very best,

 

post #3 of 44
Thread Starter 

thanks - any other ideas?

post #4 of 44

There aren't much until you get at a very high range.  The Beyers extend decently low, but have a noticeable rolloff in the lower sub-bass, but no where near as much a dropoff as others.  Don't expect as much sub-bass impact as your typical closed headphone though.

post #5 of 44
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post




Heya,

 

Aim for LCD-2.

 

For mid-range, look at the Ultrasone PRO 2900.

 

Very best,

 

 

X2

 

I came to recommend the exact same two pairs.
 

 

post #6 of 44

Is all you care about Sub-bass?  If that's all you say, then you'll get people recommending headphones as wildly different in sound as the LCD-2 and Pro 2900.  There's no way in heaven that you could like both of those headphones. 

 

BTW, The M50 is said to have good sub bass.  I'm not sure I notice or care about sub bass. 

post #7 of 44

sub-bass is anything below 90hz,

 

Bass guitar is sub-bass.

 

why you no like bass guitar?!

post #8 of 44

beyer dt 770s would be decent. for a cleaner sound you should buy the dt 990s. only get the 600 ohm if you have decent amplification, the benefits the 990 gives is lost without a good headphone amp. so if you don't have an amp, just stick to the 770s.

post #9 of 44
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Originally Posted by koolkat View Post

sub-bass is anything below 90hz,

 

Bass guitar is sub-bass.

 

why you no like bass guitar?!



I'm not going to try to put exact numbers on it.  But bass guitar is sub bass, bass, upper bass and higher, not just sub bass.  If bass guitar was sub bass then every headphone would have sub bass because you can even hear bass guitar on ibuds. 

post #10 of 44

I think the common misconception here is that sub-bass is that rumble you get when watching movies.

post #11 of 44

There's no universal number on it.  90hz is quite high, that's literally almost mid bass-- the area which most headphones have a hump to emphasize kick drums.  I've seen most members use 60z and below, and I think that's a good number.  Both kick drums and bass guitars extend down to 50hz, as well as a plethora of other instruments.  We're not even getting into synthesized music, and the 40-50hz tones that most hip hop, rap and effects are produced around.  I get a good hunch that the topic starter is after stuff below 60hz, not just stuff below 90hz-- heck, even an AD700 can adequately play stuff around 90hz.  A lot of movie rumble is well below 40hz, the thx certified subs extend down to 20hz.  Take Hans Zimmer's soundtrack for Inception, it's 20hz heavy, and basically impossible to get that kind of visceral rumble out of it with headphones.

 

 


Edited by TMRaven - 8/24/11 at 12:31pm
post #12 of 44

HD650s have pretty decent sub bass, I listen to plenty of hip hop and electronic music through them and they do a decent job with those genres. They would pound your brain out at 20Hz, but they will play cleanly down to and below the lower limits of my hearing (I can't hear below 23-25Hz).

post #13 of 44

The Sennheiser HD280 probably has the deepest bass I've seen of any inexpensive and non-awful headphone, but it's got a dip in the upper bass that kinda deemphasizes kicks on it in spite of its good low end distortion characteristics and fairly deep response.  People say the Sony V6 and 7506 go deep, but not that deep.

 

I would also like to hear of some headphones more expensive than these but a lot less expensive than the LCD-2 that have really good sub-bass... and of course open.  For all the talk about how bad bass is on closed cans, clearly that's midbass boom not extension they're complaining about.  I've seen some in Tyll's measurements in terms of response, but they usually are accompanied by either very bad overall frequency balance or poor low-end distortion graphs.  The only headphone I know of that's not IEM and not super expensive that goes flat down low is the Beyerdynamic DT1350, which is definitely not open.

 

Maybe some of the open, older Beyers might fit the bill if you don't mind bright, too?

 

The old Koss A/200 *sounded* deep in the bass, but that could have just been a mid-bass exageration.  I wonder how the Koss ESP950 tests.  Someone send Tyll a pair for a week!  You know you're out there reading this!  Don't pretend you don't see this!  You know who you are!  I know where you live!  No... not really.  But pretend I do!

post #14 of 44
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Originally Posted by Remonster View Post

HD650s have pretty decent sub bass, I listen to plenty of hip hop and electronic music through them and they do a decent job with those genres. They would pound your brain out at 20Hz, but they will play cleanly down to and below the lower limits of my hearing (I can't hear below 23-25Hz).



The HD650's I do have and they don't satisfy me in the sub-bass department. Or, in fact the mid-bass department. If you guys are saying that kick drums are mid-bass - I find that kick drums are more or less equally prominent between my DT880 2005 (known for having anemic bass) and my HD650 (known for having bass emphasis). Sub-bass also is almost identical between my HD650 and DT880.

 

Where I find the two different is in the low mids area. Would the lower end of an electric guitar count as low mids? I find them more prominent and more 'honky' on my HD650 vs my DT880. I keep wondering if my HD650 is defective as they should be blowing my DT880 out of the water in the bass department according to everything I've read - yet the bass is very similar between them and it's only the low mids that seem noticeably different (other than the highs which are very markedly brighter on the DT880). Does that sound right?

post #15 of 44

What about open cans makes you really want them over closed when looking for something with strong sub-bass?

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