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I've been upgrading my electronics for a while but still using the AKG K601 headphone. Most things better than my K601 have higher resolution, but often some kind of significant sonic signature that I can't abide.

 

A bit on my tastes. I listen to exclusively classical music. I like to feel the musical emotion, which is subtly different than hearing it. Any high-resolution headphone can tell me that the musicians are playing with a particular kind of expression--I can hear it. But I want to feel it. Needless to say, any headphone labelled "analytical" is almost certainly not for me.

 

More recently I've discovered the importance of dynamics. That means both macro-dynamics and micro-dynamics. By macro-dynamics, I mean that when the sound gets loud it has true impact, true startle factor, with a sense of ease of reproduction. By micro-dynamics, I mean that all the little shades of dynamics the musicians use-- a little softer here, a little louder here--come through loud and clear. Another aspect of dynamics is the compelling pianissimo. Can the sound get very quiet but remain riveting?

 

I like resolution. I prefer the term "resolution" to the term "detail." Too many people use the word detail to describe footsteps, fingers-sliding-on-strings, etc. stuff that isn't relevant to the musical emotion. It implies that details are interesting in themselves. And you can make something "detailed" just by cranking up the treble.

 

I believe that the sound is like a very rich image, with hundreds of details, but only when it is accurately portrayed in full, in high-resolution, does the full impact of that picture make itself known.

 

So I can't own more than one really high-end headphone, but I have enough spare "headroom" on my credit card to order a few of these guys and listen closely during the trial period.

 

My electronics are:

  • PS Audio Lambda II transport (no computer transport used for serious listening)
  • K Works SuperBerry DAC
  • Hifiman EF5 hybrid amp, modded by K Works
  • All cabling, power conditioning, vibration isolation by K Works

 

I ruled out the Sennheiser HD-800 and Sennheisers in general-- they have always left me cold.

 

The AKG K701 has a treble coloration that is somewhere around the "whispered ee" region, which makes it impossible for me to live with.

 

So I ended up trying out these four

 

  • Ultrasone Edition 8
  • Audeze LCD-2
  • Beyerdynamic T1
  • Hifiman HE-500

 

This will not be an in-depth review. I'll just summarize my observations, and if my readers have come this far and managed to understand my tastes, hopefully these words will be helpful.

 

I'll start with the good news. The winner is the Audeze LCD-2. This thing has a sound with beauty and warmth, without becoming unnatural in the least. I am a "beauty fanatic" -- if you at all care about beauty in reproduction, trust me, I'm the most fanatical beauty-guy on the planet and the LCD-2 makes me happy.

 

Transient reproduction was very high resolution, very natural. Leading edges had power without becoming exaggerated in the least.

 

That leads me to the Hifiman HE-500. The transient reproduction was similar to the Audeze (maybe it's a planar-magnetic thing), but this headphone left me cold. Analytical.

 

The Beyerdynamic T1 also has an extraordinarily beautiful sound, as I expected of a Beyer. At first I was very impressed by the transient handling and dynamics (as I would expect of a 1 Tesla magnetic structure) but it started to seem that transients were exaggerated, too powerful, too crisp.

 

Both of the planar-magnetics had dynamics that were the equal of the T1. That 1 Tesla magnet can't be a bad thing, but it's not the only way to get to good dynamics.

 

The Ultrasone Edition 8 impressed me immediately with its beauty and musical emotion as I listened to a string quartet. But it failed spectacularly at piano. The leading edges were exaggerated and quite low-resolution. Of all the headphones, it seemed the strongest sonic signature, like it was imposing its own character on everything. I suppose one could have guessed that, looking at its physical design. I mean it has a very strong physical personality, so I'm not surprised the same company produced something with a strong sonic personality.

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 11

Out of curiosity is your T1 the new version with the upgraded headband and driver coverings?

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Out of curiosity is your T1 the new version with the upgraded headband and driver coverings?



I don't know but I just bought them two weeks ago from Headroom. They are certainly very comfy.

 

 

post #4 of 11

Although HE-500 didn't left me cold, I also find the LCD-2 to be the winner of these four excellent headphones.

 

Ed.8 is not really in the same league i think, but it's still the best closed headphone currently in production

post #5 of 11
Give the 500s a shot on a tube amp.
post #6 of 11

already tried the HE500 with a single end  EL34 amp (using telefunken el34 and KT66 generex) . I prefer LCD2 both classic and rev2 to the HE500.

I won't say the HE500 sound worse than these both LCD2 ,but I prefer thicker sound of the LCD2.

by the way 2 of my friends have found the HE500 sound similar to the LCD2 rev2 and they still think,which one to keep.

 

I think The configuration is important,some may say these or those cans sound so and so ,but if you have enough accessories to try,it will never be easy for you to judge ,which headphones are your most favorite.

 

 

 

p.s. I agree ,that the ED8 can not complete with the cans mentioned above,but they are really nice cans,beautiful and sound good.The phones I've found sharing similarity with the ED8 the most are the JH16 (though the JH16 sound better to my ear than the ED8,and that's the reason I just sold my ED8 and keep JH16)

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Although HE-500 didn't left me cold, I also find the LCD-2 to be the winner of these four excellent headphones.

 

Ed.8 is not really in the same league i think, but it's still the best closed headphone currently in production



Have you heard the LA7000s?  I am looking for a closed set

 

post #8 of 11

Had the LA5000s and prefer the edition 8.  For Less than $1000, the Edition 8's also beat the LA7000 handily in the price point category.

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Have you heard the LA7000s?  I am looking for a closed set

 



No I haven't, but I do have D7000. I didn't have the pleasure yet to try the LA version, but I doubt it would beat the Eddies. (resolution, bass quality, crazy soundstage for closed design)

 

Since I didn't actually hear it, I'll change my statement to 'best stock version closed headphone currently in production' tongue.gifbeyersmile.png

 

post #10 of 11

I used to have all D7000,DX1000 and ED8.

I've found they are equals,it's up to personal taste. To me I like the DX1000 and ED8 more than D7000,even tough I think D7000 may appeal to more people (very good tonal balance,not too dark and not too color,smooth treble,not bass shy ) .The sweet and color midrange and small sub woofer Bass of the DX1000 made me love them. The ED8 are beautiful and I just like the S-logic sound.

post #11 of 11

Great review, my favourites are the LCD 2s too

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