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post #166 of 221
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Originally Posted by drez View Post

To be honest though my main reason for selling Grado is lack of bass extension and very uneven treble quality compared to the LCD-2 (and the LCD-2 is in turn not known for great treble...)  

To me the tonality with acoustic instruments was a little off also, but of course tonality is not important for rock music.

Unfortunately my audio descriptive vocabulary was pretty lacking at the time I owned both of these pairs but to be honest the Grado sounds pretty unrefined and compromised for the price.

IMO RS1i does crunchy, guitars and percussion with excellent PRAT but just doesn't sound like $700 level headphone.  SR325 is probably more on the money at its price point. 

I would only recommend the RS1i if you are a massive electric guitar fiend and don't mind the other shortcomings and questionable value.

In the end I chose LCD-2 because it delivered all the energy rock needs (save for crunchy guitars) without the shortcomings of the RS1i.  

 



 

huh?

 

I can't think of a genre where tonality is more important.

post #167 of 221
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Originally Posted by Vonx View Post

huh?

 

I can't think of a genre where tonality is more important.


To me tubed out guitars and harsh vocals, syntehsizers etc are not really trying to be pitch perfect to begin with, but YMMV.

I tended to notice the quirks with the upper midrage tonality more on acoustic instruments in classical and jazz music.  To me the RS1i has good tonal saturation but just occasionally sounded off in certain frequencies.  Probably all those upper midrange frequency spikes that make guitars sound crunchy.

post #168 of 221
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Originally Posted by DivergeUnify View Post

Since we're on the topic, I'll take this opportunity for the thousandth time to ask whats a good amp that will power both of those cans, that won't degrade sound quality.  Looking for amp/preamp combos.  Something in the pricerange of E7E9( could even be that combo), 300 max? :D

 

Just an amp or a combo?
 

Audio GD NFB-12

Matrix Mini-i 

Matrix M-Stage

Nuforce HDP

Hifiman EF2A (obligatory tube option)

post #169 of 221
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Originally Posted by Vonx View Post



 

huh?

 

I can't think of a genre where tonality is more important.



+1

post #170 of 221
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post

 

Just an amp or a combo?
 

Audio GD NFB-12

Matrix Mini-i 

Matrix M-Stage

Nuforce HDP

Hifiman EF2A (obligatory tube option)

Thanks!  Combos containing dac and amp.  For the M-Stage for example can I get an option for a usb input, since thats how I'd be using it

 

Just kidding, there are usb and non usb versions on the TamAudio website.  Does anyone have any experience with the

OPA627AP + biasing mod?   Worth it?

 

 


Edited by DivergeUnify - 1/19/12 at 7:34am
post #171 of 221

Hey guys,

 

I'm not able to decide about my next headphones. I'm caught between RS1i and LCD2. I listen mainly to rock music like Pearl Jam, Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins etc.

 

A couple of months back I purchased HD650 and Schiit Valhalla amp and now I know what people meant when they said HD650's are laidback.

 

Considering the RS1i's are $700 and will not require a great deal to run whereas the LCD2's are $1K and will need an amp that costs around the same to drive them properly, I'm slightly inclining towards RS1i's. Or do you think its better to wait till I can afford LCD2's and an amp to go with it? I'm really hoping these headphones do great for rock and are more forward than HD650's.

 

Thanks.

post #172 of 221

You can get both on the secondary market...grados about 500, LCDs in the 750-800 range

 

Id try to preview them first

post #173 of 221
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Originally Posted by rdnrvn View Post

Hey guys,

 

I'm not able to decide about my next headphones. I'm caught between RS1i and LCD2. I listen mainly to rock music like Pearl Jam, Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins etc.

 

A couple of months back I purchased HD650 and Schiit Valhalla amp and now I know what people meant when they said HD650's are laidback.

 

Considering the RS1i's are $700 and will not require a great deal to run whereas the LCD2's are $1K and will need an amp that costs around the same to drive them properly, I'm slightly inclining towards RS1i's. Or do you think its better to wait till I can afford LCD2's and an amp to go with it? I'm really hoping these headphones do great for rock and are more forward than HD650's.

 

Thanks.


You might be used to a more darker sound since you have been using the senn's, so I think a safer upgrade would be the LCD-2 (aside from money)

 

Grado's are pretty bright, which isn't bad, but it might be like stepping into a spotlight after living in a cave your whole life (not saying you have, just a metaphor :) ) and the brightness could be a bit too much. 

 

$ wise, I heard someone else say the Sr325's are worth more their price than the RS1i, so that might be an option too, (although I think those are even brighter)

 

I think you've narrowed your choices down really well though and regardless what you choose, your going to get a fantastic headphone for rock/metal and the likes :D

 

Just be impulsive, go with your gut, and buy one. 

 

You can't go wrong either way 

 


Edited by Vonx - 1/19/12 at 2:19pm
post #174 of 221
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Originally Posted by WhiteCrow View Post


I feel people that say the Higher end grado's are too bright are the people that have yet to hear them. Base there "opinions" on what other people who have not heard them or heard only the low end models on a bad source say.

 



Not sure if you were referring to me, but here's the list of Grados I've owned over the years:

 

SR60/SR125/SR225i/SR325is/RS1/RS1i/HF-2

 

And I've very extensively listened to the GS1000 and PS1000. And to my ears, the SR325s were too bright and sizzly. This is NOT an absolute statement, just that with my ears I found them with too much up top for my preferences (a few others have also reported this). YMMV of course. I eventually sold them in a few months and picked up the RS1s. Liked both the RS1 and RS1i very much...but I seem to have settled into the HF-2s (kinda fits my preferences now best).

 

As stated, at the time I owned the above Grados, my amp was the much vaunted MAD Ear+HD; which is very well respected for its synergy with Grado headphones. My source was a Marantz CD player feeding my (now sold) PS Audio DLIII.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 1/19/12 at 6:00pm
post #175 of 221

Really glad this thread exists. I recently got the PS500's, and have been loving them.


But I still wanted to try the RS1i's later in the year. Now I'm considering skipping those and trying the LCD-2s. I know they aren't the same price range, but I've always wanted to try the LCD-2s for a long time. 

 

The only thing that worries me is the weight. I hear they are really heavy. Having tried out the HE-500's (I found those to be too heavy for my small noggin), I'm thinking I should just skip the LCD-2s. I was getting really extensive headaches as a result of the weight of the HE-500s. One good thing about the Grados is they are fairly light. 

 

And damn, 325i's been getting a lot of praise here. :P


Edited by satanigatan - 1/19/12 at 8:45pm
post #176 of 221
Thread Starter 

It's got to deliver the "crunchy guitars".  What's listening to rock without it.  biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by drez View Post

In the end I chose LCD-2 because it delivered all the energy rock needs (save for crunchy guitars) without the shortcomings of the RS1i.  

 



 

post #177 of 221
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post



Not sure if you were referring to me, but here's the list of Grados I've owned over the years:

 

SR60/SR125/SR225i/SR325is/RS1/RS1i/HF-2

 

And I've very extensively listened to the GS1000 and PS1000. And to my ears, the SR325s were too bright and sizzly. This is NOT an absolute statement, just that with my ears I found them with too much up top for my preferences (a few others have also reported this). YMMV of course. I eventually sold them in a few months and picked up the RS1s. Liked both the RS1 and RS1i very much...but I seem to have settled into the HF-2s (kinda fits my preferences now best).

 

As stated, at the time I owned the above Grados, my amp was the much vaunted MAD Ear+HD; which is very well respected for its synergy with Grado headphones. My source was a Marantz CD player feeding my (now sold) PS Audio DLIII.


no I was not referring to you. I forgot to quote the post I was referring to.

 

post #178 of 221

I owned both the LCD2 and the HE-5LE for a while. If the hifiman cans feel heavy for you, the LCD2 will feel like two bricks taped together and squeezing the side of your head. They probably aren’t gonna help you

 

If you found the HE-500 light, then it might be a different story, but I think you can skip the LCD2 from what you said.
 

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

Really glad this thread exists. I recently got the PS500's, and have been loving them.


But I still wanted to try the RS1i's later in the year. Now I'm considering skipping those and trying the LCD-2s. I know they aren't the same price range, but I've always wanted to try the LCD-2s for a long time. 

 

The only thing that worries me is the weight. I hear they are really heavy. Having tried out the HE-500's (I found those to be too heavy for my small noggin), I'm thinking I should just skip the LCD-2s. I was getting really extensive headaches as a result of the weight of the HE-500s. One good thing about the Grados is they are fairly light. 

 

And damn, 325i's been getting a lot of praise here. :P



 

post #179 of 221
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

I owned both the LCD2 and the HE-5LE for a while. If the hifiman cans feel heavy for you, the LCD2 will feel like two bricks taped together and squeezing the side of your head. They probably aren’t gonna help you

 

If you found the HE-500 light, then it might be a different story, but I think you can skip the LCD2 from what you said.
 


LCD-2 sounds amazing but it really does feel like a pair of giant saggy boobs smushing me to death. Some people are into that, some people aren't :D

 

My head isn't really that big either.. I hope.

 

post #180 of 221

Thanks for this, appreciate it. Are the LCD2 so heavy because of their drivers? Kind of crazy they make them so heavy. Is weight typically a problem for most? Or is it only people like me that have sensitive little heads! :p
 

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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

I owned both the LCD2 and the HE-5LE for a while. If the hifiman cans feel heavy for you, the LCD2 will feel like two bricks taped together and squeezing the side of your head. They probably aren’t gonna help you

 

If you found the HE-500 light, then it might be a different story, but I think you can skip the LCD2 from what you said.
 



 



 

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