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post #121 of 221

yawn. If you wanna prove how cool you are you can call me a fanboy. Feel awesome yet? 

 

I am a fan of Grado, I love the way the RS1i work with the more aggressive guitar-based rock in my music collection. I also think that the headband is comfortable since the weight of these headphones is minimal (especially compared to my HE-500) and I really could give a sh*t what box they came in. Guess I'm a fanboy. whatev.
 

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Fanboy enough?



 

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Yup, and I agree with it.

 

Grado could make a larger effort when it comes to packaging their products and also making them a bit more ergonomic, especially when you are forking out $700. 

 

   
Well considering how conceited Pauly sounded in that post outright telling Grado that the"flag ship" headphone needs better packaging to make an impact on there consumer base is just ridiculous. The leathers fine. Yea a box with wood would be cool but it's just a box.  If you want the company to start tacking on the price of the packaging like Monster and Bose do then by all means petition Grado for better packing I'm sure they will jump right on that.
 

 

post #123 of 221

 

 

 It's the same old story over, and over again. It's pretty simple and I understand that for many this

 will simply be very difficult to understand

 

 1) John is family man first and foremost, believe it or not, he's just an extension of a family business.

 

 2) Given that worldwide, since Head-Fi stretches that far, we are currently discussing his headphones

     suggests there are a few sales coming through the door.

 

 3) His house sound is unique, if you love rock and play guitar, chances are everything else is just

    an interesting substitute smile.gif

 

 4) If those 3 points are even remotely true, then he's making a good living and he does not care

     for anyone's qualms. There's always someone behind the you who can see the goodness through

     the lack of packaging nous. John knows this. Good on him.

 

 


Edited by Gwarmi - 1/16/12 at 4:17am
post #124 of 221

Ok, well another A/B with DNB hardcore...LCD-2 just does it better...grado RS1i are good but LCD-2s just do it better!

 

and the 3-dimensionality of the LCD-2 cannot be touched either!

post #125 of 221

i am yet to hear the 3 dimensionality you speak of.

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i am yet to hear the 3 dimensionality you speak of.



What amp are you running...?

 

IBASSO P4 is da bomb with these phones (fed by a D7 DAC)

post #127 of 221
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Well considering how conceited Pauly sounded in that post outright telling Grado that the"flag ship" headphone needs better packaging to make an impact on there consumer base is just ridiculous. The leathers fine. Yea a box with wood would be cool but it's just a box.  If you want the company to start tacking on the price of the packaging like Monster and Bose do then by all means petition Grado for better packing I'm sure they will jump right on that.
 

 



 

What he said is accurate. Read it again. 


It has, it does have, and will have an impact on the consumer base. That's business. 

 

How much of an impact it has on you is irrelevant. You are one person.

 

Let me make a scenario for you. 

 

Scenario 1.) Buyer X walked into a store. He saw two products in front of him, one wrapped in a pizza box (product A), and another laden in velvet in a stained woodgrain box (product B). Buyer X had no previous knowledge on either product. He impulsively buys product B due to presentation. 

 

That's an impact on the customer base of Grado. 

 

Let me make another scenario for you. 

 

Scenario 2.) Buyer X has been on Head-Fi a long time. He has demo'd both headphones (product A and product B) and likes the sound of both. Buyer X prefers the sound of product A (grado) however he can't stand the uncomfortable fit and doesn't like the flimsy build. Buyer X decided to buy Product B instead. 

 

That's another impact on the customer base of Grado. 

 

So what you said was false

 

Regardless, I'm glad that Grado appeals to you in every fashion with all its quirks. Have a cookie. 

 

My original point was that Grado could make a larger effort to continue progressing their products, if nothing to do monetarily than for the sake of making their customers happy and for the passion of trying to improve something. Everything can be improved, and it saddens me that Grado closes their ears to customers. They negatively effect everyone in the process, both their customers and themselves. 

 

Audez'E just made an upgrade on an already fantastic headphone, the LCD-2, with the LCD-3. They took an already flagship headphone and made another flagship out of it. That's the spirit I like. Grado should take notes. 

 

By the way, Pauly wasn't being conceited. He had an opinion, and expressed it. It's because of people like him that things progress at all anymore. You should applaud him. 

 


Edited by Vonx - 1/16/12 at 4:35pm
post #128 of 221

I'm going to take very specific beef with this one particular point right here. 

 

I've closely monitored changes on RS1 headphones for several years, and personally owned four different pairs spanning over 14 years. So yes, I will compare buttoned RS1's with the current RS1i.

 

1. The cable on the newest RS1 is massively improved over the older ones. I'm not talking strictly about audio quality as that is difficult to gauge and you're talking directly about the quality of the build. The new cable is thicker, better sealed inside the headphone cups, and frankly just a whole hell of a lot easier to wrangle. Ask anyone with an older Grado how annoying those cables can be, and how prone they are to tangling. 

 

2. The current cups, across the board, are better finished on every unit I've seen. As near as I can tell, there isn't a "Late Friday" variety anymore and the consistency is excellent in color. I'm sure there's a unit or two that has tooling marks on it, but this has been the same since the beginning of the RS1 line. The hot glue sealing the drivers is exactly the same as it always was. As for the grilles themselves, people have been asking for AGES to have the buttons on the RS1 removed. Grado finally listened, and that's an improvement. 

 

3. The headband is identical to every other higher end Grado headband, ever. Occasionally you'll get one that's a touch more stuffed, but the only actual change in material happened nearly 13 or more years ago when they stopped using brown for the leather.

 

4. The cutouts on the gimbals are square instead of round, but this changed somewhere around 2003 or 2004 and doesn't even remotely line up with the change from buttoned to unbuttoned. 

 

5. Now, the only thing I think you might be aiming at is the rounded antenna that connects the headphone gimbal to the headband. It's not quite as nice LOOKING as the squared one, but the squared one experienced breakages and was done away with because of them. If anything else, you could consider this an actual improvement in build quality as opposed to a visually appealing fix. 

 

TL;DR: The RS1 is as well built or slightly better built than it has been in years past.

 

I'd just love to hear exactly what you were referring to though.

 

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My beef with Grado is that the build quality of higher tier phones has dropped significantly. Compare buttoned and button-less RS headphones.



 

 


Edited by Mercuttio - 1/16/12 at 4:40pm
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Audez'E just made an upgrade on an already fantastic headphone, the LCD-2, with the LCD-3. They took an already flagship headphone and made another flagship out of it. That's the spirit I like. Grado should take notes. 

 

 



I don’t get this… They took a thousand dollar headphone, made it slightly better, and now charge two thousand dollars. 

 

Grado already did this kind of thing with the GS1000 and PS1000 a few years ago. And at least there, they attempted something different from their current (at the time) flagship, the RS1, by delivering massive soundstage improvements.

 

And with the PS1000, Grado pioneered the art of charging extremely uncomfortable amounts of money for  flagship headphones. Frankly, Audez’e seems to have taken notes from Grado on that front with the LCD3.

post #130 of 221

The PS1000 is astronomically priced for what it is. I really wonder how many are sold on a monthly basis. I like it better than the GS1000, but man, at what cost? Oh, right, $1000. The GS1000 is more comfortable at the $800 I keep seeing it at, but still... I don't think it's better than the RS1. And that was a VERY thorough and careful examination over several months. 
 

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I don’t get this… They took a thousand dollar headphone, made it slightly better, and now charge two thousand dollars. 

 

Grado already did this kind of thing with the GS1000 and PS1000 a few years ago. And at least there, they attempted something different from their current (at the time) flagship, the RS1, by delivering massive soundstage improvements.

 

And with the PS1000, Grado pioneered the art of charging extremely uncomfortable amounts of money for  flagship headphones. Frankly, Audez’e seems to have taken notes from Grado on that front with the LCD3.



 

post #131 of 221
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The PS1000 is astronomically priced for what it is. I really wonder how many are sold on a monthly basis. I like it better than the GS1000, but man, at what cost? Oh, right, $1000. The GS1000 is more comfortable at the $800 I keep seeing it at, but still... I don't think it's better than the RS1. And that was a VERY thorough and careful examination over several months. 
 



 


Agreed with this. smile.gif

 

post #132 of 221
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And with the PS1000, Grado pioneered the art of charging extremely uncomfortable amounts of money for  flagship headphones. Frankly, Audez’e seems to have taken notes from Grado on that front with the LCD3.

 

I don't think Audeze is that close to Grado, or close at all.  Way more went into the LCD-3 from LCD-2 than the PS1000 from GS1000.  A new diaphragm.  The PS1000 is a few tweaks and a metal tube.  Audeze also has a very different design philosophy involving a lot more engineering.  And they're working with a technology that is fairly unexplored, they're kind of in uncharted waters, figuring out how to make new discoveries.  Whereas Grado is tweaking the same old.  Audeze is trying for more accuracy whereas Grado is just making a fun new coloration.  Nothing wrong with that, but they're pretty different.

 

I'm not saying the LCD-3 is worth it, I don't think it is.  But it's not the same as the PS1000 imo.


Edited by rhythmdevils - 1/16/12 at 5:50pm
post #133 of 221

my next purchase will be ps 1000, i liked them more than t1 or lcd-2

post #134 of 221
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I don’t get this… They took a thousand dollar headphone, made it slightly better, and now charge two thousand dollars. 

 

Grado already did this kind of thing with the GS1000 and PS1000 a few years ago. And at least there, they attempted something different from their current (at the time) flagship, the RS1, by delivering massive soundstage improvements.

 

And with the PS1000, Grado pioneered the art of charging extremely uncomfortable amounts of money for  flagship headphones. Frankly, Audez’e seems to have taken notes from Grado on that front with the LCD3.


 

 

Have you even heard the LCD-3? And did you forget that audio has always been about diminishing returns?

 

There is a product in just about every line that costs significantly more for less gains than the previous model had over the lower one.

 

It's for the "money is no object" crowd. 

 

To have the best, people will pay. Such is life. 

 

But it's the engineering spirit and the will to improve that I love so much about Audez'e, even though I'll never be able to afford one their headphones :(


Edited by Vonx - 1/17/12 at 12:00am
post #135 of 221
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Have you even heard the LCD-3? And did you forget that audio has always been about diminishing returns?

 

There is a product in just about every line that costs significantly more for less gains than the previous model had over the lower one.

 

It's for the "money is no object" crowd. 

 

To have the best, people will pay. Such is life. 

 

But it's the engineering spirit and the will to improve that I love so much about Audez'e, even though I'll never be able to afford one their headphones :(


no, I haven't because I don't have two grand to spare. But I have read quite a few impressions of them in the LCD3 thread and it seems that they are a slight improvement over the LCD2 but not a radical shift in quality. And I have used the LCD2 and I don't think they're the be all and end all of headphones.

 

I don't care what engineering goes into the headphone if I don't like the sound they produce (I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who could say the same about the wonderfully engineered and precise Senn HD800)

 

but the comments you made about the diminishing returns and the "money is no object" items also apply to other manufacturers, not just Audez'e. I don't think they've shown, via their products, any qualities that are above and beyond what we see from most other headphone vendors.

 

 

 

 

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