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I have a DAC, do I need a stereo?

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I have a nuforce uDAC and some computer speakers (Klipsch ProMedia 2.1) that take the 1/8" audio input.  This audio jack plugs into my subwoofer, and my 2 speakers are plugged into the subwoofer.  But what if I want to buy a nice subwoofer or some nice non-computer speakers.  How is all that stuff going to get plugged together?  I love my uDAC as an audio source.  Do I really need to buy a stereo?  Or do I need an AMP?  Also, is the Klipsch RW-12d a good sub for $350? Is there something else you'd reccommend as a basic upgrade from my computer speakers?  Also, my computer speakers have those screens on them.  Do those screens protect the speakers from dust or serve any purpose? Because I think the speakers look better without the screens but I'm afraid to take them off. Thanks a lot for your help.

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If you move to hifi stuff you would need an external amplifier/receiver if paired with passive bookshelf speakers. If you went active monitors the amp is inbuilt into the speakers How you hook up a sub would depend on what sort of input/output are on it i suppose tongue_smile.gifWell do elaborate what you need most out of the upgrade and its main area of use like music/movies/games and which part of the world u from cos some stuff are either unavailable or kills your wallet due to shipping blink.gif


Edited by trog - 8/16/11 at 9:00am
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music is the main interest.  i use my uDAC with denon d2000s and i cant imagine anything sounding much better... but my computer speakers arent as good as the d2000s.  2 speakers and a sub is really all I need.  how do i pick an amplifier/receiver for this purpose? im in the US

post #4 of 21

Well how big is your room and/or your listening position from these proposed speakers? You didn't mention a budget but i would think $350 sub for smallish room is not really needed hehe

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maybe 400-500$?  getting a good deal is more important to me than getting whatever I can for $X.  (i consider the uDAC and denon d2000s to be a good deal for $300 combined, wouldnt really be willing to pay more)  i want to be able to use them in a medium-large size room.  does it really matter? why would anyone buy expensive speakers that they can only use in a really small room?  just.. standard room size.. i guess.  i dont listen to things extremely loud.  are audioengine a5 speakers any good?

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also... it seems someone moved this thread to "Headphone amps"?  I don't need a headphone amp and what I'm asking is not at all related to headphone amps.  What can I do to move this back to a subforum that is actually related to what I am asking?

post #7 of 21
You're running self-powered computer speakers. They have an amp inside.

If you want to run non-powered speakers, you still need an amp.

For amplification, your least expensive option is a used receiver. A receiver has a preamp, power amp and a radio tuner inside. Some have a phonostage, which you must have for a turntable.

You can buy an integrated amp. That is a preamp and a power amp in one box.

You can also buy a separate preamp and power amp and connect them.

You would connect the DAC to an input on one of the above and non-powered speakers to the speaker taps.

I wouldn't bother upgrading or tweaking computer speakers. I haven't heard any that sound good. A subwoofer wouldn't help, since it only covers frequencies from 20Hz-200Hz or so. That wouldn't improve anything from 200Hz-20kHz.

My recommendation is to buy an old receiver from a thrift store or Craigslist. There are many good ones, but I like Marantz, NAD and Adcom for value and reliability. Don't get hung up on Watts or various specs. Anything with 20W or more should be fine for average speakers. For inexpensive, good, speakers, I like the PSB Alpha B1. About $220 a pair.
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Ya i always love the used amp/receiver route as that frees up more funds for the meat and potatoes i.e as good a pair of speakers one could buy with any budget tongue_smile.gif Cutting corners/compromising here would only mean regrets later blink.gif


Edited by trog - 8/19/11 at 1:58am
post #9 of 21
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Thanks, does a receiver affect audio quality? How much should I expect to pay for one if I were using it on those $200~ speakers?  Any other recommendations for speakers in that price range?  Thanks

post #10 of 21

The AE A5's are amazingly good.  I had a sub connected with mine too but sent it back since it didn't add anything.

post #11 of 21
For receivers, I like NAD, Marantz and Adcom. You'll find plenty at Audiogon. If you want to spend a little more, you'll find good ones from Creek, Rega and Rotel.

As for inexpensive speakers, look at the kits from Madisound and Parts Express. Some come with cabinets and pre-built cabinets. Assembly is no worse than a desk from Ikea.

Inrecommend going the receiver and unpowered speakers route. It gives you a lot more flexibility. Powered speakers can only be connected to a computer. A receiver will let you add a turntable, CD player, or anything else you want. If you want to upgrade your speakers later, you can.
post #12 of 21

I recommend the receiver/passive speaker combo as well. Craigslists is a very good when it comes to finding receivers at a bargain, just make sure that you look for what you need, in other words, anything with an HDMI input will probably be $100 more than what you need, use that extra cash for speakers. 

post #13 of 21

I love these "blank slate" newby questions like this. I wish I was back there, in alot of ways....not all wound up in OCD land with not end!..anyway thats my issue..

 

Well... You are the lucky winner! Today, in the 21st century, we have many options for the financially and snobishly limited. Here's where I would go...First. Look at Class D for your power. You can start with Class T, or bite off a bigger chunk of power with some of the ICE chips. I personally love the Tripath chips. Ok.. now my pulse is gettin a bit high here..Go to BASH amps for the sub.. Again class D. If you really want to get crazy = like me. Buy some mini maggies _ MMG's. You will be hooked, big time. Sorry!

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earwaxxer, can you please explain your post. i have no idea what you are talking about

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Originally Posted by johng123 View Post

earwaxxer, can you please explain your post. i have no idea what you are talking about

 Sure John - I assume you dont understand about amplifier classes?

 

There are Class A, B, A/B, D, H, T, G and Tube A, A/B. In solid state amps the history (in audiophile grade amps) has largely been expensive Class A and A/B. Class D has been around for a long time, but NOW there is a huge influx of Class D in the forms of various "chip amps" that take this class up several notches. Class T, H, G are part of Class D. These are "switching" amps sometimes referred (wrongly) as "digital" amps.

 

These amps have a very desirable sound quality and are VERY cheap. Some very high end (expensive) amps are designed around these chips (Bel Canto, Spectron, Cary, Nu-Force, Wyrd4sound etc.). In affordable T-amps there is Winsome Labs Mouse etc. These amps are reviewed to sound very clean, quiet background, low distortion, quick, detailed, if not on occasion a bit "clinical" (on the cool side).

 

The point is, its very easy to gain entry into these types of amps.

 

Now, if you dont understand the insane "obsessive compulsive", and often ridiculous pursuit of the "audiophile", consider yourself lucky.

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