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post #61 of 134

^ Guess the wisdom of some ancient cultures isn't a myth, after all.  ;)

post #62 of 134

Let's hope not, I am about to order a custom IEM from the pinnacle of a 4000 year old culture, after all.

post #63 of 134
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

I'm still waiting for an IEM that has a dynamic driver for the bass and an armature for the highs, how hard can it be?



The ghost of the Super FI 5 EB must be haunting the engineers...

post #64 of 134

kiteki's post prompted me to put in the UE sf5v2 again and I am reminded on what attracted me with its sound when I first heard it - the timbre. It's like a full range speaker, lacking on extension but the midrange (at least to these dogears) sounds very natural. Still learning the world of IEMs but it's comparable to speakers - you put crossovers and you can mess up the sound by introducing peaks or holes.
 

 

post #65 of 134
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Originally Posted by dogears View Post

kiteki's post prompted me to put in the UE sf5v2 again and I am reminded on what attracted me with its sound when I first heard it - the timbre. It's like a full range speaker, lacking on extension but the midrange (at least to these dogears) sounds very natural. Still learning the world of IEMs but it's comparable to speakers - you put crossovers and you can mess up the sound by introducing peaks or holes.


Not sure what exactly you're calling "the UE sf5v2". The one I call SF5v2 (see my sig) is this one, which was released in the summer of 2008 and is a single BA IEM. The Super.fi 5 Pro is/was the very popular/well-known one and it was a dual-BA IEM, and was released way before 2008. The UE Super.fi 5 EB (I believe EB stood for 'Extra Bass') is the one a_recording is referring to, which I believe was a true - and possibly the first - hybrid IEM, ie a single DD driver + a single BA driver, and was also released before 2008.

 

 


Edited by music_4321 - 8/16/11 at 7:14am
post #66 of 134
sf5v2=SF5v2 rolleyes.gif
Peace!
post #67 of 134
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post




Not sure what exactly you're calling "the UE sf5v2". The one I call SF5v2 (see my sig) is this one, which was released in the summer of 2008 and is a single BA IEM. The Super.fi 5 Pro is/was the very popular/well-known one and it was a dual-BA IEM, and was released way before 2008. The UE Super.fi 5 EB (I believe EB stood for 'Extra Bass') is the one a_recording is referring to, which I believe was a true - and possibly the first - hybrid IEM, ie a single DD driver + a single BA driver, and was also released before 2008.

 

 



Haha actually my bad for being unclear. The *First* time I mentioned the Super.fi 5 I was indeed referring to the v2, the single BA. As I said, not a big fan of the sound, probably because as music points out it is a little lacking in extension.

 

The second time I was indeed talking about the EB, which was a curious beast I had the pleasure of owning for a little while. I too wonder why no one ever tried the combination of dynamics and BA's again (except for now with some new customs coming in) but the EB wasn't particularly blended well, with monstrous bass and metallic, clinical highs. Then again, that could just be the V-shaped signature they were aiming for.

 

It gets even more confusing now since the SF5v2 is now also the UE 600, one of the weird pre-Logitech relics in their new product range of tiny dynamics.

post #68 of 134
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Holy shark four pages already? Sharks!!

 

Some say that the SE535 has bass sounding like "knocking on corrugated iron".

 

I think SE530/535 has excellent bass - punchy and textured. Actually, closer to dynamics in character than BAs IMO.

post #69 of 134

I quite liked the bass on the SE535 too, but it doesn't compare to the bass my EX700.

post #70 of 134

Regarding the whole BA vs. DD discussion I'll just say that since picking up the EX1000, GR07, and MG6Pro customs, the now sold SM3's aren't missed in the least and it feels darn good to be back to DD IEM's 100%. 

 

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post #71 of 134

Definitely. They were highly enjoyed for over a year, and rightfully so. They were a nice upgrade to my IE8's (which still remain in my stash, with upgrade cable-- one thing I wish you could have done with the v.1 SM3's because I bet a silver upgrade cable would have helped add some sparkle to the mix). But lately with how dynamic drivers have advanced to be highly detailed, coherent across the spectrum, and refined, they've been passed by.


Edited by cn11 - 8/17/11 at 7:32am
post #72 of 134

I'm a relative newbie when it comes to this sort of thing but I really do love my dynamic drivers. I haven't heard many multiple BA IEMs but even those I have heard are second to my RE-262s. Of course, my experience is hardly typical and I won't go around thinking my opinion is some kind of objective truth, just thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents.

post #73 of 134

I'm a fan of the TWFK driver and became very addicted to it in the CK10 but when I heard the RE0 the first time it reminded me of the CK10 experience with dynamic driver "feeling".

 

With that said, I don't think the RE0 is better than the CK10 and, it's definitely narrow and less precise in comparison, huge difference there, and the CK10 has more articulate highs and the RE0 is missing the wonderful 10kHz clarity spike the CK10 had.

 

All in all we're talking about $79 versus $260 here, and the RE0 offers a more realistic "melting sound" that is pretty incredible, but the CK10 is technically brilliant in clarity and imaging, and has a much nicer design on the housing and cables.

 

I'm looking forward to finding a cheap UE700 to see what that TWFK is like, when I heard the q-Jays it wasn't at the CK10 level so I skipped it, well I only heard it very briefly but it didn't invoke any CK10 feeling in me, as you can see I have no brand bias because I am Swedish and should be supporting Jays. =P

 

 

Edit: I exchanged the Shure Olive looking tips with the clear bi-flange tips on the RE0 and the SS is closer to the CK10, clarity is heightened and the bass becomes a little more distinct, I don't think any dynamic driver in this encapsulation could get much closer to the Knowles TWFK, perhaps a 16mm driver in one of the Sony's (if tuned to sound like the CK10) would get pretty close or surpass it though, just speculation.

 

Looking forward to comparing RE0 and EX600.... kinda.

 


Edited by kiteki - 8/17/11 at 2:47pm
post #74 of 134
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Originally Posted by detectotune View Post

Have you compared the IE8 to the EX1000 recently? I'd be interested in how they compare. 



Yep. The EX1000 is markedly better in resolution, detail, space, and layering. They don't have nearly the bass quantity of the IE8 if overall amount is your thing, but the bass they reproduce is much more controlled, textured, and detailed. And it doesn't cloud the midrange like you get with the IE8. Isolation is not their strong suit, achieving even less than the Sennheisers. So if you're considering them for a frequent flier isolation phone, you'd be better off looking elsewhere. 

post #75 of 134
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

I'm a fan of the TWFK driver and became very addicted to it in the CK10 but when I heard the RE0 the first time it reminded me of the CK10 experience with dynamic driver "feeling".

 

With that said, I don't think the RE0 is better than the CK10 and, it's definitely narrow and less precise in comparison, huge difference there, and the CK10 has more articulate highs and the RE0 is missing the wonderful 10kHz clarity spike the CK10 had.

 

All in all we're talking about $79 versus $260 here, and the RE0 offers a more realistic "melting sound" that is pretty incredible, but the CK10 is technically brilliant in clarity and imaging, and has a much nicer design on the housing and cables.

 

I'm looking forward to finding a cheap UE700 to see what that TWFK is like, when I heard the q-Jays it wasn't at the CK10 level so I skipped it, well I only heard it very briefly but it didn't invoke any CK10 feeling in me, as you can see I have no brand bias because I am Swedish and should be supporting Jays. =P

 

 

Edit: I exchanged the Shure Olive looking tips with the clear bi-flange tips on the RE0 and the SS is closer to the CK10, clarity is heightened and the bass becomes a little more distinct, I don't think any dynamic driver in this encapsulation could get much closer to the Knowles TWFK, perhaps a 16mm driver in one of the Sony's (if tuned to sound like the CK10) would get pretty close or surpass it though, just speculation.

 

Looking forward to comparing RE0 and EX600.... kinda.

 

Hey, even though the Knowles TWFK is built has a subwoofer and tweeter combo why do you think it's always used as the dual midrange or dual treble speakers in high end custom IEM's?
 

 

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