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post #136 of 217

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

No, but I will.

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future?

Yes, eagerly.

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR?

Not important at all.  I'd use the amp's topology as a basis for a consistent cabling strategy.  One of the benefits of not being there yet.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

Not important, but I would not pass up the chance to use a SE output if I liked it.

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?

Well, I don't want it to suck, and that's basically it.  To elaborate: if the particular quality and the sound signature of the amp can be enjoyed from either of two different output methods, even if one is clearly superior or has more to offer, that's the balanced-out-with-single-ended-too that you want to build.  Provided, of course, we can't have it all.  Because you know we want to.

 

'Cause I wanna be all like "OMG I tried the balanced out and it's like the smoothest chocolate, then I plugged into the 6.3mm and it's the richest vanilla, so you know what I'm doing now??? Wearing all my headphones and ordering more ears!!"

post #137 of 217

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

No, not currently

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future?

Yes, when i upgraded my source though

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR?

I don't think 4 pin XLR is a necessity but dual three pin XLR is a must ....

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

I don't think it's important, why would you buy a balanced amp if you only have single-ended output ? anyway one could easily buy connectors i think ....

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?

Utility for me.

post #138 of 217

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones? Nope.

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future? As far as I know...no. 

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR? No clue.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs? For me, it would be mandatory.

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones? I assume it would be a utility thing.

post #139 of 217

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones? Not yet, but when I upgrade I plan to recable whatever I get to balanced.

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future? Both, I have a balanced-capable DAC and I want balanced cans and if needed a balanced amp.

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR? For me, mandatory, otherwise I can't have the cable I want!

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs? Would be nice, not necessary.

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones? More of a utility thing.

post #140 of 217

I mown a Sennheiser HD650, which can be very easily turned into a balanced headphone. I would be great that a similar product to Asgard with balanced, 4-pin XLR out would come out, in the sub-400$ region.

No need for dual 3-pin XLR, 4-pin XLR is fine.

It would be nice if Bifrost had balanced outs but I currently own a DAC with balanced outputs.

Single ended output would be nice as well but its quality is not as important as the balanced output.

 

Hope this helps :)


Edited by Balazska26 - 8/20/11 at 10:57pm
post #141 of 217

 

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

Yes, i own a HD 800 with double helix balanced cable.

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR?

As far as i know both of the 2 solutions provide the same sonic quality so i prefer 4-pin XLR since it's more economic and more "green" for our planet.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

As long as it doesn't affect the audio quality, adding a single-ended output is nearly a must since not every headphone out there is cable balanced.

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?

I think people who buy a balanced amp want the best out of the balanced output so the single-end one can be a little more "utility" than "quality".

 

post #142 of 217

Hi Jason!

 

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?  ---- Dont have a set of balanced cans.

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future? - No.

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR? - No Comment

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs? - No comment

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones? - If I did have balanced cans this would be very important to me.

 

All the best

Alex

post #143 of 217



 

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No need for single-ended output if balanced output is there-a good quality adapter can be made for about 20-30 bucks.

 



Wrong!!!  As both I and Jason previously cautioned; A SE (1/4") to Balanced adapter is OK, but a Balanced to (1/4") SE is NOT OK. If a person does not know what they are talking about they shouldn't talk about it at all. Promulgating the false impression that Balanced to SE adapters (going to a 1/4 or 1/8 plug) are OK is doing a disservice to the community.

 

post #144 of 217
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Wrong!!!  As both I and Jason previously cautioned; A SE (1/4") to Balanced adapter is OK, but a Balanced to (1/4") SE is NOT OK. If a person does not know what they are talking about they shouldn't talk about it at all. Promulgating the false impression that Balanced to SE adapters (going to a 1/4 or 1/8 plug) are OK is doing a disservice to the community.

 

I assume you mean an adapter to allow a single ended headphone to be used in a XLR balanced output.

I made one for my T1's which are not balanced so that I could use the balanced output from my ROC. It does work perfectly (so far) but Kingwa did tell me that it should not be done. If I remember correctly its something to do with it not being earthed although it was a few months ago and I can't remember exactly. 
 

 

post #145 of 217
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Wrong!!!  As both I and Jason previously cautioned; A SE (1/4") to Balanced adapter is OK, but a Balanced to (1/4") SE is NOT OK. If a person does not know what they are talking about they shouldn't talk about it at all. Promulgating the false impression that Balanced to SE adapters (going to a 1/4 or 1/8 plug) are OK is doing a disservice to the community.

 


Yeah, looks like we're going to have to be real clear in the instructions: IF YOU SHORT TWO ACTIVE OUTPUTS TOGETHER, YOU WILL HAVE A BAD DAY.

 

Balanced amp negative terminals are active. At least on a real balanced amp. Any difference between the channels is driving a dead short (0 ohms.) You might be able to short them together and get away with it for a while at low volume, since, let's face it, stereo channels typically have similar content, so there's not going to be a huge voltage differential there most of the time. But the moment there is--BOOM.

 

 

 

 

post #146 of 217

 

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?  Yes Senn HD650 with one copper balanced cable and a silver balanced cable as well.  Plus Beyer T1 balanced Silver cable.  

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future?  Will only buy balanced amps.

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR? Not at all lose the dual XLR's bulky silly things. 4 pin is fine.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?  Harder, how about skip it but provide a 4pin XLR to TRS adapter.  For those times when users want to plug in their new headphones but have not got them re-cabled yet.  

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?   For me would be a utility.  Unless the single ended is absolutely as good as the balanced don't do it.  In my mind there are several very good single ended amps which if customer does not already own one of then can purchase if it is a priority.

 

 

post #147 of 217

Not very technical here but would just add my comments.

 

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

I have AKG K1000 and Stax SR303 -- are they considered balanced?

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future? 

Just brought Sennheiser HD650 to go that direction.  How long would I have to wait for your new amp?

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR?

Whichever gives the best sound quality.  However, please have the adapter available, free or added cost.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?

I would strongly prefer to have the balanced amp with a high quality single-ended output.  That way I can really test my HD650 on the improvement from normal to balanced setup.     t

post #148 of 217

 

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

HD600!

 

For balanced headphone output, how important is it to have dual three-pin XLRs as well as a 4-pin XLR?

Not important.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

Would be nice to have, but it is not essential.

 

If single-ended is important, is the quality of the single-ended outputs as important as the balanced outputs, or is this more of a “utility” thing so you can use all kinds of different headphones?

I would not want the single-ended outputs to be included if they were of inferior quality.

post #149 of 217

Do you have balanced headphones? If so, which ones?

 

Not yet.

 

If not, are you looking at balanced headphones or a balanced amp in the future?

 

Yup.

 

For a balanced amp, how important is it to also have single-ended outputs?

 

Not important - I have other amps for that.

post #150 of 217

Sorry, you're right. I thought it could be done but now I understand as Jason explained it. I edit my post not to spread stupidity.
 

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Wrong!!!  As both I and Jason previously cautioned; A SE (1/4") to Balanced adapter is OK, but a Balanced to (1/4") SE is NOT OK. If a person does not know what they are talking about they shouldn't talk about it at all. Promulgating the false impression that Balanced to SE adapters (going to a 1/4 or 1/8 plug) are OK is doing a disservice to the community.

 



 

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