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These are awesome for your genres. They have one of the funnest sound signatures that is a must for your genres. EDM in general..These are a tad on a big side for being portable but they are indeed much more portable than full sized cans. The best isolation because of they sit on your ears and wins in the stylish category out of all the headphones I reviewed here..I think you will be happy with these. One of the more underrated underrepresented headphones here on headfi..I still call them personal club in your head headphones and a blast to listen to.



Thanks a lot. Now I just need to decide which colour to get! Torn between white and red.

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I like my red as there aren't too many Red phones out there. But the White.. I was torn between the two myself. In either case I think you will enjoy your new cans as much as I have. Good luck and let us know how you like them once you get them..I do recommend a solid 50 hours of burn. It mellows the highs a bit and tightens up the bass..Fun cans, I wish Pioneer would make more.

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081211201528.jpgAs the saying goes there can only be ONE.!!

 

The heavy hitters.. 

 

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The Pioneer HDJ500.     Red/black, Black/chrome, White/chrome .. Cost $85-$100

Specs.. 5hz-28khz

2000mW output

105db  Sensitivity

45 Ohm

40mm Dome type Driver 

 

It is surprising to me that there is not much fan fair for the Pioneer sound here at headfi.. I suppose the Pioneer sound is not what one would call analytical or neutral for that matter however.. I find the Pioneer sound has something that many now a days might be looking for but haven't found yet in their portable cans..In the recommendation thread just about every other advice someone is looking for are cans that isolate, portable, and must have bass.

These will become very popular because not only do these shine in all aspects of such requests but the sound qualities are one that I personally have been looking for, that big club like sound..

 

Make..7.5/ 10 The attention to style and function is evident in this set. Big plush cups that isolate extremely well for when you want to bump your tunes in the library. Not so big that you can't wear it out doors drives extremely well on portables..They come with 2 quality chords a 3ft straight  lock in style and a 1.2m coiled..1/8th to 1/4th gold plated screw on adapter and bag.. The only weakness in the build would be the head band.Compared to the higher end DJ cans these are thin and rather brittle looking. Some TLC is needed on these and I would not recommend any type of physical abuse on these at all... I suppose they had to cut corners to make improvements to add to their higher end DJ cans. Fortunately for us they didn't sacrifice where it counts..

 

Sound..8/10 The sound out of box was a tad bright forward yet boomy at the same time but once the drivers get going the sound Punches out that signature. "Pioneer sound"

So what is the Pioneer sound?. A strong u shape eq curve with highlighted highs and full on bold bass. What makes these interesting is the DJ line from Pioneer all stay within this signature and this can gets around 90% to 95% of the sound their higher end HDJ1000, HDJ2000 produce..Strong clear detailed highs and surprising big bold bass.  Here is where it gets interesting on this set. The mids are right there as well.. One would assume with this pioneer sound that the mids would be recessed and while the mids do take a back seat to the highs and lows on the set they are out with full force and detail to complete the kick ass sound these produce. .Sound staging is ample for being closed cup cans and only help the big club like sound. 

 

BASS... Big bold full on Bass..The pioneer sound makes no excuses these are bass hitters.. In fact what came to me as a complete surprise was.. A head to head vs my Denon DP1000 and the Panasonic Technics RP DH1200.(DJ can comparo in the works) .This certainly proved to me that even though the drivers might be smaller does not mean the bass is weaker.. Both the Denon and Technics have bigger drivers.. 53mm and 50mm..The bass was clearly stronger on the pioneers..The strong bass has satisfactory boom and extension in the sub bass and reaches deep..The treble stays right there with the big boom..50 hours burn in and the overall sound becomes smoother and a tad fuller.. The only complaint I have is the attack and tightness can be better and more refined but for what is there, bass lovers will certainly smile with satisfaction.  

 

The contender

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The Audio Technica ATH-WS55 Solid BASS...Black, Black/Red... Cost $86

Specs...10hz-24khz

500mW output

100db sensitivity

40 ohm

40mm dynamic dual air chamber system..

 

After the personal club the Pioneers bombarded to my ears with changing to the Solid Bass WS55 I had to get used to the different sound they produce..The previous WS50- WS70 have not seen too much fan fair as most reviews that I have read on em were lets just say not one that would make you go out and buy one. However I have a feeling these were what Audio Technica had in mind. .The newest in the family of the Solid bass series. The cost on these were low enough for me to try out as I wanted to know what this claim of Solid Bass was all about.

 

Make..8/10 These have the traditional AT portable design commonly seen on their other portables.. The opposite of the looks in the Pioneers which just begs for attention. These are much more understated and clean looking. Not as bulky as the Pioneers. The cups have that familiar soft cushy pleather pads shared by their bigger brother the M50. Just about the same comfort as well. They do have a clamp but nothing that will get annoying or head ache inducing. Because they are so new I think a bit of use and they will stretch just right on the head. This simple understated design bodes well with those of us that are not looking to get any type of unwanted attention out in public. Excellent isolation so you can get your Dub on without people hearing all that commotion.The chord is a standard portable 3ft long with a L shape plug.. Definitely made for roaming and getting your thump on..!!

 

Sound..8.5/10 It is strange to me that Audio Technica throws on a big bold SOLID BASS marketing on these. They do have good/  solid bass I will cover later but if you are thinking these sound like the Sony XB series or ATs own Pro700mk2s,. Nope..The sound is technically more proper for all genres and heavy listening. Some might actually prefer these over the Pioneer for extended use.. Because the highs are very balanced to accent  the mids they sound smoother overall and or less fatiguing over the Pioneer sound.  The highs not as present or bright as the Pioneers but has very good detail for portable cans. Perhaps the most surprising aspect of these cans are the MIDs. Full bodied and ever present I would say the mids are actually an improvement over the M50s as well as having a stronger punch..Vocals are surprisingly clean and detailed.  This only helps the smoother sound on these overall.

 

BASS.. The bass don't necessarily stick out to me as HERE I AM..But on tracks that calls for it. THERE IT IS!!. Nope it is rather blended well actually and out of the 3 cans has the best balance. I would say the bass on these while not as big or as dynamic as the Pioneers they have a very cool chameleon bass effect.. What I mean by this. When listening to non bass heavy music these sound tame and with no hint of the full bass these can produce But with hiphop dub and trance there is no denying it It becomes a portable bass king..The bass is full warm and rounded in nature. The punch and attack is more impressive on the WS55 over the Pioneers and sound more clean as well. However, the Sub bass is lacking over the Pioneers and extension not as deep..  I have to admit I am impressed with the overall Bass..If you go into this set with realistic expectations they do provide good clean full warm tight bass. These might not satisfy the Bass only lovers out there but for what is there you will be impressed. It does induce a smile and when a track calls for it the Bass is definitely not lacking.. I don't know if the dual air chamber is doing it's job but the Bass comes big clean and full..

 

This is one of those cans that will grow on you the more and more you listen to em..In fact I almost want to bump the score..lol!

 

The budget AKG portable?

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The AKG 518LE   Multiple colors  ... Cost $43 to $140.. I would be pissed if I payed $140 for these.

Specs... 16hz-24khz

2000mW output

115db sensitivity

32ohm

40mm dynamic

 

These have been well reviewed here at headfi with a decent following for good reason.. They have a bigger punch than the usual portable cans and with the AKG name when bought for the low low price of $43 what not to like. At this price it is almost a steal and recommendable as a good portable bass heavy can but does it do one over the others? Keep reading. ..Now why does the exact same phone, white to be specific. cost $140 ??? This is a headfi  scratcher.. Heck you can get one of these and one of the Pioneers or WS55s for this price. go figure.

 

Make..6.5/10 I don't know how sold I am with the 3D- Axis folding mechanism it seems to do its job in making these truely portable vs the non folding Pioneers. The band seems sturdy enough for extended use but overall feel on em are kinda flimsy..Perhaps the one true fault of the build is in the cheaper looking thin chords.. A good tug and these will snap making your white $140 bought AKGs only good for blocking out the cold air on your ears..Even bought for $100 one would figure they would get more heartier material for the chord but these are no different than the chord on my $30 JVC HAS600s.

 

Sound..7/10.. The sound stage is almost constricting compared to the other 2.. They aren't.. Sound stage killers per se.. As closed cans cannot compete with open ones for sound stage but. The confined nature of the sound is very evident compared to the other 2.. Not only constricting sound stage but cone shape to boot.. Vocals are decidedly thin in comparison to the WS55.. In fact much like the chord that I have an issue with the over all sounds are the same.. Thin.. The highs are just accents and while they do a decent job. The highs are down right boring in comparison to the other 2. This is before taking out the thick felt that covers the driver.. Once taken out, the highs actually get more presence. The mids are ample but again the thinness in the sound signature combined with a smallish cone like sound stage and you get that not so fresh feeling in your gut..If you ever dated a hot girl and then discover she has crooked teeth that smiles at you all the time.. Just something not right.. You know what I am talking about.

Back to the sounds..

 

Bass... It is there,  ample punch n all for hip hop and DnB. Might be a bit misleading as I find the bass a bit dry as there is no true depth in the bass or dynamics that stand out until a felt piece that covers the driver it taken out.. These are the most tame out of the 3 But again the Bass is not BEEFY like the other 2.  The punch is there but extension and sub bass? I think I heard some. I think..After the felt that was removed from the driver the bass while not as punchy does have more dynamics.. The extension and sub bass becomes noticeable.. Bass attack is fair and tonality correct but much like the chord I keep going back to. It needs some thickness to compete with the others.. Not just in the bass but the entire sound signature.. It may seem like I am biased toward the other 2 however After the smile enducing runs on the other 2 portables I just discovered for myself how much these cans are lacking.

 

Do they sound good for $43? Yes they do, even with the issues this phone has.. For $140? Hmm like I said,  I would be pissed.

 

Conclusion.. Well this has been indeed a fun write up. I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.. I will continue to edit/ add detail any impressions as I am shure the WS55 will change a bit more so as I wrote this only after a day/ night of burning. I have to admit. I am very impressed with both the Pioneers and the WS55.. Not so much with the AKGs obviously.. I think for the younger guys that want something bold with the best overall bass for your dub step and trance, out of the 3 go for the Pioneers.. For the older set that demand a bit more refinement smoothness with your rounded BASS.. I will give a hearty Dsnuts thumbs up to the new and improved WS55.. I am more impressed with this than I was with the M50.. Let me put it this way.. Thanks for having a look and as always.. Happy listening!!

 

Bonus.!  I would like to update the latest findings for the WS55.. I have a feeling this one will become a headfi favorite.. I can now say I listen to this more than any of

my sets at the moment.. Once eQed with a bit more Bass end eq. The Bass blows up.. While maintaining great clarity and detail of any tune.. To the guys that read this.. Try em.. I can't stop listening to my tunes on this can...  Also interesting. The Pioneer highs have mellowed a bit with more burn in... On some eQ this can sounds unbelievable for trance/ dub/ Hip hop.... And last but not least I think I was a bit too harsh on the AKG 518LE.. These are a solid buy after taking out a thick extra piece of felt that covers the driver.  Thanks goes to Danneq  who was quick to tell me about this erroneous act on AKG. I have no idea why they would restrict the sounds by throwing in a thick piece that restricts the sound overall. The highs finally show some signs of life and the mids also come out balancing the can even more so..However while sounding like a completely different can altogether, More fuller, the sound staging remains the same..But they do now sound proper and now score a solid 7..

 


Thanks man for the review.
I need to ask you something:
Should i pick up the WS55 for 100$ or pick the ATH-PRO700 MK2 for 190$   ???

 

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Thanks man for the review.
I need to ask you something:
Should i pick up the WS55 for 100$ or pick the ATH-PRO700 MK2 for 190$   ???

 



You have so many choices that are better than the Pro700MK2s..These are one of only 2 HPs I have ever returned.. For the money you can do so much better.. Not only are the WS55s more proper for your needs but they happen to be cheaper.. If you need a full sized HP. I would go with a HFI-580/ Dj1 ultrasones.. You can get a DJ1 for around $140.. IMO there isn't a better HP for EDM unless you want to spend $350 for a Pro900 Ultrasone.. If you want to try several HPs for the cost of one muddy Pro700MK2s.  You can get a Panasonic HTF600, a WS55 and a JVC HAM740 for the cost of one Pro700MK2..   Here is the shocker.. Every one of the phones I mentioned IMO are better than the Pro700MK2s.. They look nice I will give them that. But you won't believe how much CLAMP which is eventually fixable but it is the sound that I just couldn't tolerate.  

 

EDM need highs as much as the lows for the tune to sound proper. The Pro700MK2 only sound good for slower hiphop grooves but throw anything with some attack and you get reverb left over from the last note.. I listen to a lot of trance and when I threw on AVB I couldn't hear the same notes I can on my other sets. It was that clouded. Get yourlself a DJ1 and you will be happy.


Edited by Dsnuts - 11/14/11 at 8:30am
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How is the WS55 for DuBstep ?

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How is the WS55 for DuBstep ?



I gave this a 8.5 rating for a reason. Your answer borat_thumbs_up.jpg Very Nice.!  Now one thing is they are not full sized.. They are bigger portable headphones. These are what the Beats solo should be these are what the Pro700MK2 should have been.. You will get your monies worth.. These easily stay on top with my other bass heavy HPs.. Nothing missing on the sound signature.. You want Fat beats in your head on the go with great isolation so no one else can hear your tunes... These are great portables and worthy for anyone's collection especially for EDM lovers. 

 

You can get one of these and throw down $40 or so on a HTF600 and get 2 GREAT HPs for less than the cost of one Pro700MK2.. One for home and one for on the go.


Edited by Dsnuts - 11/14/11 at 9:47am
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How is the WS55 for DuBstep ?



Already answered, but I'll throw in another heap of praise - I don't listen to a lot of dubstep, but pretty much every form of electronic music I've tried sounds great on my WS55. Drum n' Bass sounds especially amazing on these (with much emphasis on the bass), as well as house, trance, and yes, even the few dubstep songs I listen to.  Go for it, man.

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Thank you for your help :)

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I like my red as there aren't too many Red phones out there. But the White.. I was torn between the two myself. In either case I think you will enjoy your new cans as much as I have. Good luck and let us know how you like them once you get them..I do recommend a solid 50 hours of burn. It mellows the highs a bit and tightens up the bass..Fun cans, I wish Pioneer would make more.



I am leaning towards red too. As they don't come with any case or carrying pouch so the white ones might be a bit difficult to keep clean.

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I am leaning towards red too. As they don't come with any case or carrying pouch so the white ones might be a bit difficult to keep clean.



Let us know how you like them..Fantastic for the price imo.. The HDJ500s are a permanent part of my headphone rotation at work. Trance on these cans must be heard, it is out of this planet good with trance. Throw on some AVB state of trance and just get lost in the music.

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which has strongest shaking bass, biggest soundstage, and best isolation ?

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Both these have great bass but the Pioneers have a bit bigger bass over the WS55. The staging is almost a tie. As both are closed designs but I think the Pioneers have a bit more stage. . Both are not wide sound staging phones I would say more like mid stage which is ample for closed designs. The Pioneers again have a tab better isolation as they are on ears..The WS55 does have bit warmer and more balanced sound signature though with a bit more clarity.  Either phones are excellent.


Edited by Dsnuts - 11/20/11 at 1:45pm
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Both these have great bass but the Pioneers have a bit bigger bass over the WS55. The staging is almost a tie. As both are closed designs but I think the Pioneers have a bit more stage. . Both are not wide sound staging phones I would say more like mid stage which is ample for closed designs. The Pioneers again have a tab better isolation as they are on ears..The WS55 does have bit warmer and more balanced sound signature though with a bit more clarity.  Either phones are excellent.



oh sweet the ws55 is around ear ? and hows the ws55 soundstage compared to the m50 or mkii soundstage 

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I don't know if you can get any smaller than the M50s. I wasn't a fan of the Mk2 sound as I listen to a lot of Trance and trance does not work too well on those. I never found myself thinking the stage of the WS55 was smallish or restricting in any way.  For being a portable it is very ample. It isn't as wide as my V-80s but for what is there music sounds very proper with just the right amount of stage. The WS55 is supposed to be on ear but it is more like a semi circum aural in that most of it fits around your ear.  My WS55 is one of my favorite go to headphones and just a blast to listen to music with.. It has a smoother and warmer sound than the Pioneers so and I can listen to music for hours with no hearing fatigue on them.. That being said the Pioneers are one of the best cans to listen to Trance with..

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I don't know if you can get any smaller than the M50s. I wasn't a fan of the Mk2 sound as I listen to a lot of Trance and trance does not work too well on those. I never found myself thinking the stage of the WS55 was smallish or restricting in any way.  For being a portable it is very ample. It isn't as wide as my V-80s but for what is there music sounds very proper with just the right amount of stage. The WS55 is supposed to be on ear but it is more like a semi circum aural in that most of it fits around your ear.  My WS55 is one of my favorite go to headphones and just a blast to listen to music with.. It has a smoother and warmer sound than the Pioneers so and I can listen to music for hours with no hearing fatigue on them.. That being said the Pioneers are one of the best cans to listen to Trance with..



v-80s are same as m80s right? if so then how does it compare bass quantity wise

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