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post #346 of 937

Am I getting the wrong message from this thread if they've made me reconsider sticking with my HD 650s and upgrading my source and amp?

post #347 of 937

I wouldn't care too much about amps and sources once you're on certain level. Your E9 has a low output impedance so everything's fine there. Other hardware might sound a little bit better but will cost really much so it's easier to save the money and get some better headphones later.

post #348 of 937
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Originally Posted by LFF View Post

If you search in some threads, I commented about the problems with the HE-300 before they were measured. Purrin, AFAIK, didn't read those comments and he also commented on the exact same problems when he heard them. The measurements confirmed it.

 

Anyway, the point I am making is that I feel that Purrin's measurement methodology accurately portrays exactly what I believe I am hearing. I honestly feel that no other measurements I have seen accurately portray what I am hearing. They get close but not as close as Purrin's.


FWIW, Fang has made some changes to the HE-300.

 

I too see Purrins measurements as the most informative I've seen.  

 

 

post #349 of 937
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Am I getting the wrong message from this thread if they've made me reconsider sticking with my HD 650s and upgrading my source and amp?


The 650 is a great headphone .... I've been saying so for years.

 

post #350 of 937
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LOL! Sorry. redface.gif

 

How can I help?



20 of your favorite classical CD's will do nicely to ease the pain.  tongue.gif  j/k  I'm still gonna get bone phones at some point.  And send them to Purrin for measurements of course!!!  I can only imagine all the good pick up lines one could use when wearing bone phones in public.

post #351 of 937
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

FWIW, Fang has made some changes to the HE-300.

 

I too see Purrins measurements as the most informative I've seen.  

 

 

Happy to hear the HE-300 have received some changes...hopefully for the better.

 

Tyll....your measurements are extremely informative as well.
 

 


 

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20 of your favorite classical CD's will do nicely to ease the pain.  tongue.gif  j/k  I'm still gonna get bone phones at some point.  And send them to Purrin for measurements of course!!!  I can only imagine all the good pick up lines one could use when wearing bone phones in public.


20...I don't think I have remastered that many classical albums this whole year.

 

Bone Phones huh.....I like the name.

 

post #352 of 937
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Originally Posted by Zuglufttier View Post

I wouldn't care too much about amps and sources once you're on certain level. Your E9 has a low output impedance so everything's fine there. Other hardware might sound a little bit better but will cost really much so it's easier to save the money and get some better headphones later.


I disagree, 10ohms and 43 ohms are not ideal.  The E9 is sufficient for the price but don't fool yourself, the E9 would be the weak link to the 650 or whatever upgraded phone you get.  Of course you could spend more and do worse if you don't know better.

 

post #353 of 937
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

I disagree, 10ohms and 43 ohms are not ideal.  The E9 is sufficient for the price but don't fool yourself, the E9 would be the weak link to the 650 or whatever upgraded phone you get.  Of course you could spend more and do worse if you don't know better.

 



You're right, I thought the E9 had an output imdepance comparable to the E7 or E5 e.g...

post #354 of 937

Purrin,

 

any chance you could meassure IEMs in the same way? I'd love to see a waterfall plot for the Triple.Fi 10

post #355 of 937
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post

Am I getting the wrong message from this thread if they've made me reconsider sticking with my HD 650s and upgrading my source and amp?


The HD650 really starts to shine with a better amp and source. "Upgrading" your headphone may end up as more of a sidestep at this point for you.

 

post #356 of 937
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Originally Posted by JamesMcProgger View Post

Purrin,

 

any chance you could meassure IEMs in the same way? I'd love to see a waterfall plot for the Triple.Fi 10

 

Working on it, although it's not high priority right now.

 

post #357 of 937

All this talk about Sennheiser HD-650's.  Although I had a pair of Koss ESP-9's back in 1971*, what really got me started back on this headphone thing was a pair of HD-580's I got in about 2004.  Then it was AKG-701's...HD-650's....HD-800's....LCD-2's....SR-007's.......aiyeeee!!!!!

 

 

I wonder what the CSD plot of the ESP-9 looks like?

 

 

*Harman Kardon Citation 12 power amp, SAE preamp; Shure V15-III phono cartridge, AR  XA plattenspieler... Akai GX-365 open reel...  yes, FORTY YEARS AGO.  I even worked for Koss for one summer, 1976 I think it was. I worked with the chief engineer Jake Turner to  wire the audio systems in John Koss' mansion, he had a bunch of Koss electrostatic speakers and Ampzilla power amps set up.  Don't recall the preamp used, etc. Had headphone jacks with L-Pads all over the place, in wall plates.  So long ago....  

post #358 of 937
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 


The HD650 really starts to shine with a better amp and source. "Upgrading" your headphone may end up as more of a sidestep at this point for you.

 


Yeah, that's what meant...the HD plots well, so maybe the weakness is my source or drive. I've got a Music Streamer ii+, so the amp should come next...but which one? DACmini maybe?
post #359 of 937

Here are a couple headphones I would love to see CSD plots for eventually:

 

  • Stax O2 MKI
  • Stax O2 MKII
  • Stax O2 MKII Spritzer's Mod
  • Hifiman HE-6
  • Hifiman HE-500

 

post #360 of 937

Someone has to send him the headphones  wink.gif

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