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post #1 of 16
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I just built 2 Millet Mosfet Maxs and I am at the biasing part. The first Millet biased correctly and everything seems to work as expected.

On the second millet the right tube biases fine, but the left tube is stuck at 23.35V ish and turning the trimpot either way has no effect on the voltage. How should I go about troubleshooting?

Thanks.

post #2 of 16
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Weirdly enough the problem fixed itself after a while. Im not sure how, maybe the tube had to burn in or there was a weak connection that fixed itself, but the amp is now working.

post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by ryli View Post

Weirdly enough the problem fixed itself after a while. Im not sure how, maybe the tube had to burn in or there was a weak connection that fixed itself, but the amp is now working.


That's good.  The tube trimmers are quite a compromise, in that they have to provide reasonable adjustment precision for tubes of three different gains.  I'm not really aware of another tube amp that has that kind of flexibility, but in any event, it means that for some tubes, you may be way on one end or the other of the 21-turn trimmers.  So, it may seem like you're not getting any response to the bias, when it's simply that you haven't turned the trimmers enough.

 

Anyway - glad to hear it's working!! biggrin.gif 
 

 

post #4 of 16
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Thanks tomb,

I actually ran into a different problem now that I've biased it. Using the Bantam dac through the amp to a denon d2000, there is a loud buzz and static, and when music is played, it is heavily muted and distorted, as well as staticky and scratchy.

Where should I start with troubleshooting?

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Thanks tomb,

I actually ran into a different problem now that I've biased it. Using the Bantam dac through the amp to a denon d2000, there is a loud buzz and static, and when music is played, it is heavily muted and distorted, as well as staticky and scratchy.

Where should I start with troubleshooting?


I would check the Bantam output - MAX input signal wiring very carefully.  If the ground channels are not well-connected, you may get everything from reduced sound to loug pops and static.  I don't know about you, but the Push-Down connectors that cetoole spec'd for the MAX V1.2 PCB are a brilliant solution, but they're not something with which many of us have had experience.  I've found a number of issues that can be traced to the type of wire, how much insulation is stripped and how the wire is placed in the Push-Down connector.  On one of my MAX's, a couple of the Push-Down posts stay popped up about halfway.  Luckily, the wires are so big relative to the connector block that they still make good contact.  However, it's easy to see how they can get messed up with different wiring.  You might double check that connector and see if that's the source of the issues you describe.
 

 

post #6 of 16
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I double checked the dac connections and they seem to be fine. There is still static.

Interestingly enough, whenever i touch any metal part on the amp, usb connector, volume knob, top of capacitors, etc, there is an audible click and either a increase or decrease in the volume of the buzz/static through the headphones. Does this point to a grounding problem?

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by ryli View Post

I double checked the dac connections and they seem to be fine. There is still static.

Interestingly enough, whenever i touch any metal part on the amp, usb connector, volume knob, top of capacitors, etc, there is an audible click and either a increase or decrease in the volume of the buzz/static through the headphones. Does this point to a grounding problem?


Yes.  First question - did you solder in and attach the ground wire to the Alps pot?  If that's OK, then did you scrape the inside of the back plates where the RCA jacks connect?  Regardless of whether you checked the DAC connections, the symptoms you confirm is that there is not enough grounding taking place.  As stated before, the first place to look is the ground input signal wires.  They can look fine in appearance, but they may not be making a good connection.

 

post #8 of 16
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I'm not sure what you mean by the ground wire to the alps pot. Do you mean the 2 pins out of the 6 which are for ground?

 

I have not attached the rca jacks yet, only tested with the Bantam DAC input, with rca wires not connected to anything

 

post #9 of 16
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I tried attaching the rca cables to the amp, and plugging them into an rca output. playing through the dac, the music played through the laptop to the bantam is heard very soft, with no bass, and scratchy. The bantam input seems very snug, and even pulling doesnt move the wires and the top screws are very tight.

 

Here are some pictures of the amp if that helps. Tell me if I should take pictures of anything else.IMG_6207.JPGIMG_6209.JPGIMG_6214.JPGIMG_6215.JPGIMG_6216.JPGIMG_6217.JPGIMG_6218.JPGIMG_6219.JPGIMG_6220.JPG

post #10 of 16

Well, here's the problem: You've connected the BantamDAC into the terminal block that's meant for the BantamDAC.  Problem is, it's not selected by default.  You have to wire an SPST (at least) into the two-position terminal block and throw the switch for the input relays to pull from that terminal block.

 

Try one of two things if you don't have a switch ready:

1. Short the terminals on the two-position terminal block, or

2. Connect another source into the un-used terminal block and try your listening tests using that as a source.

 

Actually, I'm surprised that you're getting anything at all, but this is an extreme case. wink.gif

 

That said, I take this as my fault.  The operation of the relays is not very well documented on the website.  So, please accept my apology at your frustration.

 

P.S. Those are excellent photos, btw and it looks like you've done quality work.  I'm sure things will go very smoothly once you get past this.

 

Finally, it will help if you connect a second ground wire to that un-used output terminal on the BantamDAC.


Edited by tomb - 8/13/11 at 3:05pm
post #11 of 16

Oh - by the way, the ground wire is the small pad to the right rear of the pot.  You need to solder a wire in there and screw the other end into one of the pot screws.

 

Look at "#5. Volume Pot Ground Wire -" on the MiniMAX website here: http://www.diyforums.org/MiniMAX/MiniMAXwiring.php  All amplifier construction using the Alps RK27 is the same as this.

 

Tangent also has a pic of this on his PPAV2 website:

05-pot.jpg

 

 


Edited by tomb - 8/13/11 at 9:18pm
post #12 of 16
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I tried shorting the 2 position terminal block, but it had no effect on the sound whatsoever.

Also, after grounding the pot, there was less static, and touching metal parts did not click or change the sound. However, the sound coming through is very muted and lacks bass, like its not being amplified at all. Is it possible that we have some component backwards or a short?

post #13 of 16
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(oops double post)


Edited by ryli - 8/14/11 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by ryli View Post

I tried shorting the 2 position terminal block, but it had no effect on the sound whatsoever.

Also, after grounding the pot, there was less static, and touching metal parts did not click or change the sound. However, the sound coming through is very muted and lacks bass, like its not being amplified at all. Is it possible that we have some component backwards or a short?


Let's take one problem at a time.  Try a separate source that you're familiar with.  Connect it into the unused input terminal block and let us know what you find.
 

 

post #15 of 16
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Hey, I ve been busy with school, so I just got back to troubleshooting this.

 

I tried a function generator on the non dac output, and an oscilloscope showed that we got a clean sine wave back, however, shorting the 2 position terminal block seemed to do nothing to the function we were getting out.

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