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post #241 of 3408

An update concerning SSDs:

 

I bought a Mach Xtreme Technology MX-Nano 120GB ZIF SSD two weeks ago for my Classic.

After a lot of trial&error I conclude the following:

-This SSD does NOT work in Classics (tried it on two Classic 80GB's, same ata error in EmCORE)

-Bought an old used Video 30GB, the SSD works fine in this one (like promised in the specifications)

 

I'm both surprised and disappointed that this drive doesn't (seem to) work in Classics. I was looking forward to put it in the complete aluminium cage from a Classic instead of the partly plastic Video.

 

Does anyone know what makes the HDD in a Classic and Video different from each other?

 

 

post #242 of 3408

 

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Originally Posted by r100 View Post

An update concerning SSDs:

 

I bought a Mach Xtreme Technology MX-Nano 120GB ZIF SSD two weeks ago for my Classic.

After a lot of trial&error I conclude the following:

-This SSD does NOT work in Classics (tried it on two Classic 80GB's, same ata error in EmCORE)

-Bought an old used Video 30GB, the SSD works fine in this one (like promised in the specifications)

 

I'm both surprised and disappointed that this drive doesn't (seem to) work in Classics. I was looking forward to put it in the complete aluminium cage from a Classic instead of the partly plastic Video.

 

Does anyone know what makes the HDD in a Classic and Video different from each other?

 

 


Thanks for the info. I may well get one for my ipod video 30GB. Have you noticed any improvement in battery and responsiveness with the SSD in the ipod video? Any problem running the rockbox on the SSD?

post #243 of 3408

 

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Originally Posted by lostid View Post

 


Thanks for the info. I may well get one for my ipod video 30GB. Have you noticed any improvement in battery and responsiveness with the SSD in the ipod video? Any problem running the rockbox on the SSD?

 

I also put in a brand new battery which need a couple of charging cycles before I can say something useful about the max playtime. And I have to be honest: I expected better responsiveness. When the SSD is active, loading any song goes lightning fast. But to activate it once it's shutdown takes almost as long as a HDD... Maybe Rockbox isn't really made with SSDs (and their controllers) in mind.

post #244 of 3408

 

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Originally Posted by r100 View Post

 

 

I also put in a brand new battery which need a couple of charging cycles before I can say something useful about the max playtime. And I have to be honest: I expected better responsiveness. When the SSD is active, loading any song goes lightning fast. But to activate it once it's shutdown takes almost as long as a HDD... Maybe Rockbox isn't really made with SSDs (and their controllers) in mind.

 

Well I put in a new battery and 120GB HDD in my ipod video and it's doing great. The battery can last about 12 hrs and it responds quickly with no lags. I am very pleased with the 120GB HDD upgrade. Now here is the math: the Mach Xtreme Technology MX-Nano 120GB ZIF SSD costs about $240 which is almost four times of the $65 you can buy off eBay for the 120GB HDD. While the service life of a HDD varies, it can last long given good care. My original 30GB HDD for the ipod video bought in 2005 is still running normally with no sign of trouble. So I may just stick to using the HDD's. The downside is the chance for a premature failure is higher for a HDD than a SSD, and when that failure strikes you lose all the music on that HDD. But that risk is well manageable IMO.

 

 

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Originally Posted by lostid View Post

 

 

Well I put in a new battery and 120GB HDD in my ipod video and it's doing great. The battery can last about 12 hrs and it responds quickly with no lags. I am very pleased with the 120GB HDD upgrade. Now here is the math: the Mach Xtreme Technology MX-Nano 120GB ZIF SSD costs about $240 which is almost four times of the $65 you can buy off eBay for the 120GB HDD. While the service life of a HDD varies, it can last long given good care. My original 30GB HDD for the ipod video bought in 2005 is still running normally with no sign of trouble. So I may just stick to using the HDD's. The downside is the chance for a premature failure is higher for a HDD than a SSD, and when that failure strikes you lose all the music on that HDD. But that risk is well manageable IMO.

 

 

 

 

this is the reason i opted for the 240gb hard drive over an ssd. a 256gb ssd is like $500, 240gb hdd is $120 on ebay. its really a no brainer if you ask me. if my hdd does fail ill just buy another one and still be $300 richer than if i went with a ssd. 

 

post #246 of 3408
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Originally Posted by darren700 View Post

 

 

 

this is the reason i opted for the 240gb hard drive over an ssd. a 256gb ssd is like $500, 240gb hdd is $120 on ebay. its really a no brainer if you ask me. if my hdd does fail ill just buy another one and still be $300 richer than if i went with a ssd. 

 

 

How is the 240GB ipod doing in terms of battery life and responsiveness? I can't stop thinking about getting a 240GB portable ipod hard drive to back up my music.

post #247 of 3408

battery life is great, i can listen for a 10 hour shift at work no problem. not sure the exact life though. Responsivenes is great with rockbox. however i am only using the file navigation, no database as i imagine it would take forever to build and rebuild everytime i add music. the only lag is when you switch from one album to another sometimes there is a 3-6 second pause while the hdd is scanning to the track. overall im very happy and wont be upgrading my DAP for a long time.

post #248 of 3408

I ended up buying a 240GB HHD iPod from Rapid Repair.  I'm using the standard iPod firm wear and I can listen for a couple of days between charges.  I'd guess around 15 hours or so of listening time.  I have no lag at all.  The only problem is a limit in the iPod firmware and applies whatever drive you put in it.  There's a limit in the size of play lists that's a little below 10,000 songs.  I playlists to sync and I had to drop some of the playlists I sync, such as Played Tracks, and others I had to break up into multiple playlists.

post #249 of 3408
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Originally Posted by scompton View Post

I ended up buying a 240GB HHD iPod from Rapid Repair.  I'm using the standard iPod firm wear and I can listen for a couple of days between charges.  I'd guess around 15 hours or so of listening time.  I have no lag at all.  The only problem is a limit in the iPod firmware and applies whatever drive you put in it.  There's a limit in the size of play lists that's a little below 10,000 songs.  I playlists to sync and I had to drop some of the playlists I sync, such as Played Tracks, and others I had to break up into multiple playlists.

wow Rapid Repair is selling the 240GB ipod video for $400. I would get an used ipod video 60GB/80GB model and upgrade it to the 240GB myself.

 

I am still not sure whether it is possible to upgrade the ipod video 5.5g/30GB to the 240GB HDD. I have been reading conflicting info so far. Hope someone actually done it can clarify on this.

 

 

EDIT: For those who are looking to buy a 240GB HDD, you may take a look at this available for $98 only.


Edited by lostid - 5/2/12 at 2:41pm
post #250 of 3408

Good thread. Decided I couldn't justify ponying up for SSD so I just pulled the trigger on the 240GB HDD from the ebay seller who has them in a kit with some other parts. I bought my ipod used and the backplate has some mumbo jumbo engraved by the previous owner that I can do without. It will be a nice touch to have "240GB" inscribed neatly on the back instead, and it needs a new battery too. I figured I might as well drop an extra $11 for a new front cover and click wheel while I'm at it. So I'll have fresh & clean 240GB rockboxable FLACing goodness for about $220 total. Now I just have to wait patiently for the goodies to arrive.

post #251 of 3408

Well I managed to get a 64gb super talent ssd running in a 7g classic, but for whatever reason it'll only work with the ipod opened and the ribbon cable attaching the drive stretched out a bit.  When I go to close everything up and push the ssd into place it just won't work, the ipod acts as though it isn't even connected to the drive.  I already tried a different cable from another broken ipod with no luck, any suggestions?

post #252 of 3408
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Originally Posted by Frostynuggs57 View Post

Well I managed to get a 64gb super talent ssd running in a 7g classic, but for whatever reason it'll only work with the ipod opened and the ribbon cable attaching the drive stretched out a bit.  When I go to close everything up and push the ssd into place it just won't work, the ipod acts as though it isn't even connected to the drive.  I already tried a different cable from another broken ipod with no luck, any suggestions?

Use tape to make sure the ribbon cable is seated properly when you close it. Otherwise, no idea. but it sounds like its getting disconnected and that what I'd do in my computer repair job when i have a ribbon cable that wont stay in consistently.

post #253 of 3408

I know it's an old thread but here is goes anyways:

 

Here's a way to determine if you have the old board which only supports up to 60gb drives.


If you've a 5G iPod video then the logic board no will be 802-1763A and this supports only 30 gb/60gb.


If you've the 5.5th G iPod video then it has the logic board no 802-1975A and this supports up to 240Gb hard disk, but the only thing is you'll have to have a thicker back cover as this 240gb had is 8mm thick.

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Originally Posted by Lazlo View Post

Quick update (again) for those who are interested:

 

I said earlier that I had tried connecting a disk enclosure in an attempt to bypass the iPod, and that it didn't work. Turns out that I had connected the disk upside-down. Sounds like a silly mistake to make, but in my defence, what with the ZIF connector being slightly offset to one side, it looked like there was only one way to orient it.

 

Anyhow, now that I can see the SDD in Windows, I can see how far the iTunes restore process had got. It divided the drive into 3 partitions: a 32Kb, a 30GB, and the rest as a data partition. None of the partitions were formatted. This is according to Windows Disk Manager.

 

I tried another experiment, pre-formatting the disk to FAT32, and not pre-formatting. Each time the iTunes restore fails with the symptoms I gave earlier (apple logo / progress bar / reboot), and each time the disk was partitioned as above.

 

So, it would appear, unless someone has wisdom that says otherwise, that this disk is fundamentally incompatible (KingSpec KSD-ZF18.1-128MS) with a 30GB iPod 5.5g.

post #254 of 3408

I am at a total loss and hope someone here can shed some light on my problem. I have a 80Gb Classic. The HDD had bad sectors so it needed replacing. Having seen some posts around the internet I opted for a Super Talent SSD ZT2 IDE 1.8" 64GB MLC. The part number is FZM64GW18P. According to what I have read it should work fine. But it doesn't. The iPod begins its boot-up but after 15 seconds I get the big red cross on the display. The SSD works fine in an enclosure and I can read and write to it. When I put the old Toshiba disk in the iPod boots successfully.

post #255 of 3408

I wonder due to the crazy prices of 256GB ssd zif drives, if there is any room in the ipod to fit this microsata to zif adapter http://www.amazon.com/1-8-Micro-SATA-Female-Adapter/dp/B004FD5B9I

in and just get a reg microsata 256gb ssd(approx $280) or is it just impossible and maybe the adapter wont even work for the drive. Im just speculating here thanks

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