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post #16 of 21
8/12/11 at 12:19pm
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Again, you're talking in generalities. Also note the background Ety ER-4P chart. I've experience with that model, not as good as I'd like, and Sony looks even more extreme.

I actually cut 6k on most IEMs and certain headphones with eq because it sounds quite a bit louder than the rest.

 

Bottomless bass is good, but if there's not enough energy, it's not good enough. Since the graph tells it's similar in amount to Etys, I bet it will be somewhat too little. By colder I meant I prefer linear bass to the warm hump. (which Westones, SA6, GR07 sport in various amount)


Edited by AstralStorm - 8/12/11 at 12:22pm
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post #17 of 21
8/12/11 at 12:23pm
I haven't seen the GR07 graph but I think its treble sounds a good bit hotter than the Sonys. If you decide to try them, you should definitely purchase from someplace like Amazon where it's easy to return. Then no big deal if you don't like the treble. The Sony bass extension is the best I've heard. That large driver is just effortless with fantastic texture.

Out of everything else I've tried, I can't think of anything else close to your requirements. Good luck hunting.
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post #18 of 21
8/12/11 at 12:31pm
Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

Again, you're talking in generalities. Also note the background Ety ER-4P chart. I've experience with that model, not as good as I'd like, and Sony looks even more extreme.

I actually cut 6k on most IEMs and certain headphones with eq because it sounds quite a bit louder than the rest.

 

Bottomless bass is good, but if there's not enough energy, it's not good enough. Since the graph tells it's similar in amount to Etys, I bet it will be somewhat too little. By colder I meant I prefer linear bass to the warm hump. (which Westones, SA6, GR07 sport in various amount)

It's not just about the 6k peak though, it's about what comes before and after there isn't anything there that will trigger that sibilance emphasis, see the EX700 graph it looks similar (with a slightly smaller 6k peak) but it's a recipe for sibilance. It looks extreme but it's fine it's treble is just more present. '

 

You meant quantity, it's quantity is fine imo it's slightly less than that of the GR07 but more accurate to the recording. It's quality is simply better than those mentioned though, if the recording has that energy there it's going to show it more accurate than these. 
 

From what I'm getting from you and from my experience, graphs could be very tricky to interpret so I wouldn't base much on that.  The Sonys will have a 30day return from authorized dealers, so hearing it for yourself would be best 


Edited by Inks - 8/12/11 at 12:50pm
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post #19 of 21
8/12/11 at 3:56pm
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Uhm, yes, extra peaks can make it sound worse, but of course even one peak sounds pretty bad - harsh or grainy.

This specific one causes soundstage collapse and nasal sound (to my ears). The 2k boost is not welcome either, this will make the IEMs sound overly "intimate" and some vocals will be misplaced too close.

 

On the other hand, the 10k peak looks almost perfectly placed.

 

Oh, and I can't find an authorized dealer selling these in Poland or to Poland. I'll check all 3 Sony Centers around here, maybe I'll be pleasantly suprised.


Edited by AstralStorm - 8/12/11 at 4:01pm
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post #20 of 21
8/12/11 at 7:20pm

Pretty much every IEM is peaky past 5k it's about what get chosen, I think big dips ala EX700 are a bigger problem. The EX1000 are neither harsh nor grainy, all others will agree. The 2k boost is slightly past the area where it will make it sound tinny and misplaced. Instead it causes it to have "crunch"  or energy, it's welcomed in my book and I actually see it as a strength. It should be heard as a whole though, EQing to see what certain frequencies do is a flawed way to approach it imo.

 

Having Sony Centers around sounds pretty convenient, good luck. 


Edited by Inks - 8/12/11 at 7:22pm
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post #21 of 21
8/12/11 at 11:47pm
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Peaky is fine, as long as the peaks are precisely in my ear nulls and not in resonances.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=&graphID[]=731&graphID[]=691&graphID[]=732&graphID[]=692

This is raw data - the more reproducible kind; bottom two are compensated unsmoothed data, similar as on that graph with EX1000.

The somewhat old eq with SA6, Comply T-100 and deep insertion: http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/31/31ea7280_SA6-flat-E.png

And this is the adjustment graph between raw and compensated:

http://graphs.headphone.com/differenceGraph.php?graphType=&graphID[]=731&graphID[]=732

This part will be different from listener to listener. I should attempt to recover my own HRTF based on headroom's raw data and SA6 once I get a new cable. (I bet they used silicone tips.)

 

W4 was tested with shallow single flange fit and synergized with my ears almost perfectly. I don't know if perfectly since I didn't have the eq or time to do it on hand, but it was pretty close.

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