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Originally Posted by NewMexiCat View Post





I agree--I would still like to know more about the sound signature of the HP-P1 amp, but I think it is telling that Jude said that his HP-P1/iPod combo is his "go-to" portable rig at the moment.  That must mean that he doesn't feel like he is losing enough in the amp department to revert back to the "big brick" of the CLAS+amp configuration.  That was enough of a "between the lines" message to prompt me to order the HP-P1 from Moon Audio.  I hope to have it by tomorrow and will post my initial impressions after a little audition time. 

 

While I don't have the CLAS or the RXII, I do have the original ALO RX and I will compare the HP-P1 only vs. HP-P1+RX vs. RX only to get a feel for the relative strenths of the Fostex DAC and amp sections.  The only preliminary comments I have heard thus far about the sound signature of the HP-P1 amp is that it is "neutral."  I will be pairing mine primarily with the Edition 8, for which "neutral" generally pairs quite well.  We shall see.

 

 

 

 

 


Those are good points and i look forward to your impressions. My only hesitation regarding the HP-P1's amp section is the power rating at 80mW which seems a bit low...

 

post #92 of 1303
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Originally Posted by ironmantk View Post

This is looking like the portable rig to have! I guess Jude didn't have any special interconnect for this review either, so right out of the box good.


Has anyone tried the HP-P1 with higher quality interconnects?  Wondering if it makes a difference in the SQ.

 

post #93 of 1303

Any trustworthy jitter- or impedance measurements? Did the Fostex have an async USB or a re-clocker? 

 

I couldn't care two flying poopers about the dac chip. In the end, it's a very small part of the equation. Power supply and clock matter more. 

 

Edit: Found the info. Going to pass on this. Way over-expensive. 

 

CLAS is starting to look good, though it's simply too much hassle and size. Have found some of the <100eur usb re-clockers to work quite good and have determined the clock is an important factor. Hah, though I could in no way lay that one out in technical terms :)


Edited by electropop - 9/6/11 at 7:31am
post #94 of 1303
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Originally Posted by kiertijai View Post

I am trying to compare the sound quality of  ipod + DAC (from Fostex HP-P)   snd then from the  line out through mini to mini to the headphone inputs

of the SR71B, Iqube V2 , Voyager and the protector.  I did that way so that I would have use the same DAC for all the amplifier mentioned.

However I could not get any sound out through the analog out of the Fostex HP-P1.  Anyone know how can I do this?

 


I connected the line out at the back of the HP-P1 to a Fiio E7 via mini to mini cable. I was able to hear music come out out of the E7's headphone out.
post #95 of 1303

Does anyone know if someone has the hp-p1 in stock in the US? someone wants to sell it?

post #96 of 1303

Sorry to keep everyone waiting for my impressions but, unfortunately, I had to return my HP-P1 to Moon Audio due to a couple of problems I was having.  I think the problems are unique to me and not the HP-P1 specifically, but in any event, it was not a good fit for me.

 

First, I discovered that my iPhone 4 apparently does not deliver a clean digital signal to the HP-P1 as I was hearing pops and crackles consistently while playing Apple Lossless files.  As an alternative source, I have an iPod Nano 6G that I tested and it worked fine; hence my conclusion that my iPhone was to blame.  I tried several things (resetting, airplane mode, different types of files (ALAC, AAC, MP3)) but could not make the problem go away.  Again, this is a problem I could have overcome by using a different iDevice, but chose not to as I prefer to use my iPhone for the vast majority of my portable listening.

 

Second, my portable listening habits utilize iTunes smart playlists almost exclusively.  I run my music library (currently about 8,000 songs) through a maze of smart playlists to achieve what I refer to as a "Daily Mix" of new releases and old favorites that I sync to my iPhone.  Because I am mixing and matching new and old recordings, I rely heavily on Sound Check (I use the modified iVolume, which seems to work much better) to balance out the gain on my playlist.  While auditioning the HP-P1, I came to realize that it disables Sound Check completely.  Apparently, the iPhone (and the iPod Nano I tested) apply Sound Check after the digital-to-analog conversion, because it just doesn't work when you route the digital signal to the HP-P1.

 

These were deal-breakers for me, but like I said, they are really personal preferences and not indictments of the HP-P1 (unless the "crackling" issue becomes widespread).

 

As for my very brief time spent with the HP-P1, I was impressed with the build quality and sound.  I only listened with my Edition 8's, so I can't give any opinion on harder-to-drive headphones,  but the HP-P1 drove the Ed.8's with authority and accentuated the traits that the Ed.8's excel in:  a very clean and highly articulated sound with tight and authoritative bass.  Again, while I did not listen with any higher impedence headphones, I got the feeling that the HP-P1 is not power shy and should be able to adequately drive many full-size cans.  Unfortunately, the HP-P1 was not a good fit for my portable listening habits, so I won't be able to opine any further.  Others, I am sure, will find it fits their needs perfectly as the ultimate "all-in-one" audiophile portable DAC/amp.  Their opinions of the performance of the HP-P1 will certainly be of more import to interested Head-Fier's.


Edited by NewMexiCat - 9/15/11 at 8:59am
post #97 of 1303
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Originally Posted by BMWHKMan View Post




Has anyone tried the HP-P1 with higher quality interconnects?  Wondering if it makes a difference in the SQ.

 


I had a custom LOD to USB made using Mundorf silver/gold cables for my HP-P1. Compared to the stock Fostex LOD to USB cable, the Mundorf cable gave a much cleaner and smoother sound overall. Separation was much improved. The only negative I found was that the stock Fostex cable had more bass quantity but a bit murky.

Hope this helps.
post #98 of 1303
Thread Starter 


 

 

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While auditioning the HP-P1, I came to realize that it disables Sound Check completely.  Apparently, the iPhone (and the iPod Nano I tested) apply Sound Check after the digital-to-analog conversion, because it just doesn't work when you route the digital signal to the HP-P1.

 

That's interesting and probably useful for many people to know.  In a way, it's good because it shows that it is sending an unprocessed/untouched signal to the HP-P1.

 

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Originally Posted by NewMexiCat View Post

First, I discovered that my iPhone 4 apparently does not deliver a clean digital signal to the HP-P1 as I was hearing pops and crackles consistently while playing Apple Lossless files.  As an alternative source, I have an iPod Nano 6G that I tested and it worked fine; hence my conclusion that my iPhone was to blame.  I tried several things (resetting, airplane mode, different types of files (ALAC, AAC, MP3)) but could not make the problem go away.  Again, this is a problem I could have overcome by using a different iDevice, but chose not to as I prefer to use my iPhone for the vast majority of my portable listening.



Sorry to hear that.  I'm also a bit surprised, as I would think many people might be using this with their iPhone.  I had a similar problem with my iPad 1G, but someone suggested simply doing a restart and the clicks went away.  I wonder if your problem could have been related to this:

 

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.fostex.jp/news/153&usg=ALkJrhgPfjJKCP6jwbUyJHS7kgJBG1R__w

 

The translation makes it hard to sort out.  But I think the gist is you should be running the latest version iOS (4.3.1).  I'm not sure if you checked this on your phone.  Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you.  It's a cool little device!  =)

post #99 of 1303

Yes, I'm running the latest iOS on my iPhone and I did try a restart, all to no avail.  I spoke to Drew Baird at Moon Audio about it and he said his iPhone worked flawlessly with the HP-P1, so for whatever reason it seems to be an issue with my iPhone and not the HP-P1.

 

Again, I don't want to sour anybody on the HP-P1.  It is cutting edge gear for sure, and despite my issues I could certainly detect that it has a rock solid build and sounds great.  It just wasn't the best fit for my needs.

post #100 of 1303
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Originally Posted by NewMexiCat View Post

 

First, I discovered that my iPhone 4 apparently does not deliver a clean digital signal to the HP-P1 as I was hearing pops and crackles consistently while playing Apple Lossless files.  As an alternative source, I have an iPod Nano 6G that I tested and it worked fine; hence my conclusion that my iPhone was to blame.  I tried several things (resetting, airplane mode, different types of files (ALAC, AAC, MP3)) but could not make the problem go away.  Again, this is a problem I could have overcome by using a different iDevice, but chose not to as I prefer to use my iPhone for the vast majority of my portable listening.

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I don't know how many times I have to share this advice... although I guess it is too late for you.

 

Your problem would have been solved by rebooting the iPhone. (Restart is not enough.) Hold the Power and Home keys simultaneously until the screen goes black and then the Apple icon appears. Let go and do this again immediately, i.e. holding the buttons until the screen goes dark and the icon comes on. Then let go and allow the iPhone to reboot. Problem solved.

post #101 of 1303
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

Your problem would have been solved by rebooting the iPhone. (Restart is not enough.) Hold the Power and Home keys simultaneously until the screen goes black and then the Apple icon appears. Let go and do this again immediately, i.e. holding the buttons until the screen goes dark and the icon comes on. Then let go and allow the iPhone to reboot. Problem solved.


You did help me out on this one (although in my case it was a simple power cycle as opposed to a hard reset) and I thank you again.  Could you shed some light as to why this can be/ needs to be done?  And is it something that you only need to do once, or will it happen again over time?

post #102 of 1303
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Originally Posted by Mkubota1 View Post




You did help me out on this one (although in my case it was a simple power cycle as opposed to a hard reset) and I thank you again.  Could you shed some light as to why this can be/ needs to be done?  And is it something that you only need to do once, or will it happen again over time?


I don't really understand the mechanics of the issue. I think that it is something in the iPhone and iPod OS that gets polluted and then doesn't deliver a clean bit stream to the CLAS/HP-P1 etc. The solution then is to reinstall the OS from firmware via a reboot.

 

I don't think that there is any rule as to how often it is needed. Rarely in my experience.

post #103 of 1303
Hi NewMexiCat and all I am looking at the Fostex and have Edition 8 phones, I have been amazed at the quality from my iPhone 4 with these headphones but am looking to get the best out of them. How much of an improvement was the Fostex with your Edition 8s? I won't be able to try here in the Uk without hearing first so your experience would be invaluable!! My main player is a Naim CDX 2 and I want to get as close to that as possible in a portable rig. Thanks for your help in advance David
post #104 of 1303

Does anybody know if it possible to use the DAC in the Fostex HP-P1 with a computer? Using an USB cable.

Or does it only work with iDevices?

 

 

post #105 of 1303

The HP-P1 (and CLAS too..) only works with iDevices... frown.gif
 

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Originally Posted by Jonasklam View Post

Does anybody know if it possible to use the DAC in the Fostex HP-P1 with a computer? Using an USB cable.

Or does it only work with iDevices?

 

 



 

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