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post #331 of 372
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

It's seem you are the only one arguing for overpowered amps.  What do you care what amp others are using?  If folks want to use amps with x amount of power - so be it.  I do know the BHA-1 is not up to snuff.  This is based on experience and not laws of physics.

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post #332 of 372

You know, all you're doing is talking out the side of your mouth. Grab yourself a HE-6 and tell all the current owners who have done their due diligence they are wrong. I really want to watch you eat crow :evil:

 

Now, let's move along to something that has actual experience and re-visit your assertion when you have the HE-6 in hand.

post #333 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


Your amp is a speaker amp and I said it was fine. It's the ones with double or triple (or more) the power required to max out the HE-6 that I find ridiculous. Regarding the Threshold amp, I could not find the exact model that was used, but I recall it being at least 150Wx2, if not 200W @ 8ohm. A prime example of what I'm talking about. Overkill for the sake of 'my wattage is bigger than yours'.

 

Yeah - but you see how the hyperbole starts?  150 or 200 watt speaker amps are not Mega amps, overkill maybe, but not Mega amps.  I used a pair of UPA-1s (200 watt mono blocks) on my HE-6s before.  This was after a DIY 4 channel dual mono B22 and a DIY B24 was beaten by the mono blocks.  I didn't need the 200 watts of power, but it was something in those amps the HE-6 liked so I went with them until I found something better.  

 

Hell, I like overkill myself when doing DIY.  Overkill or go home. :biggrin: 

post #334 of 372
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

Sorry to interrupt you guys' argument, just want to pick a nit that's been nagging at me.

VU meters do not measure power.

Ok, it's all yours now. biggrin.gif

se

Lol sorry Mr. Steve Eddy. It's a habit to call it that. From here on out it will be 'watt meter' :)

post #335 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


The first time the HE-6 was shown it was with a Threshold power amp. It doesn't get much more mega than that. Then you started seeing all these headamps like the Lyr and such advertising 6W @ 50ohm, 8W, and so forth. Then came the speaker amp brigade dropping off 150W and 200W @ 8ohm power amps 'to give it headroom'. I'm not the one starting myths, you guys did it all yourself saying you needed this, when you actually don't.

Okay, all I know from my experience is that the Lyr, Mjolnir, EF-6, and Soloist (all of which I own or have owned) are not up to snuff with the HE-6.  I don't know if need a "megawatt vintage receiver", but to my ears, the power offered by the Darkstar can be considered "entry level" for the HE-6 (i.e., with it's power you can suddenly see why the HE-6 is considered one of the top two or three headphones around today).  I can only imagine that with a bit more power (e.g., 15 to 20 watts) it can only get better with this headphone.

post #336 of 372
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

You know, all you're doing is talking out the side of your mouth. Grab yourself a HE-6 and tell all the current owners who have done their due diligence they are wrong. I really want to watch you eat crow evil_smiley.gif

Now, let's move along to something that has actual experience and re-visit your assertion when you have the HE-6 in hand.
I've actually owned them myself. Thankfully I caught myself before getting drawn into the overpowered amps thing. I almost was before deciding the HE-6 wasn't for me.
post #337 of 372
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Lol sorry Mr. Steve Eddy. It's a habit to call it that. From here on out it will be 'watt meter' smily_headphones1.gif

My nit detector thanks you. biggrin.gif

se
post #338 of 372
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

Okay, all I know from my experience is that the Lyr, Mjolnir, EF-6, and Soloist (all of which I own or have owned) are not up to snuff with the HE-6.  I don't know if need a "megawatt vintage receiver", but to my ears, the power offered by the Darkstar can be considered "entry level" for the HE-6 (i.e., with it's power you can suddenly see why the HE-6 is considered one of the top two or three headphones around today).  I can only imagine that with a bit more power (e.g., 15 to 20 watts) it can only get better with this headphone.

Yep I agree, and in defense for Preproman, he may actually want something greater than a 10wpc amp. Reasons being can include going into A/B power, greater than 1% distortion, like he said earlier that going overkill in DIY is the way to go :)

post #339 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


I've actually owned them myself. Thankfully I caught myself before getting drawn into the overpowered amps thing. I almost was before deciding the HE-6 wasn't for me.

With what amp?

post #340 of 372
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Yep I agree, and in defense for Preproman, he may actually want something greater than a 10wpc amp. Reasons being can include going into A/B power, greater than 1% distortion, like he said earlier that going overkill in DIY is the way to go :)

 

No A/B power - pure class A :biggrin:

post #341 of 372
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Originally Posted by gikigill View Post


Ask Onkyo.

No complaints about the power bill though on my side:p

But it wasn't Onkyo that said a 40 watt per channel amp will do the trick driving the HE-6 "provided it has a 600 watt power supply."

se
post #342 of 372
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

No A/B power - pure class A :biggrin:

Yes, I know, for your amp. Others might not be in the same position though :wink_face:

post #343 of 372
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

With what amp?
Little Dot MKVI. Not sure what it was rated at 50ohm (wasn't listed on spec sheet), but it is rated at 5W @ 120ohm. The only amp I've ever liked the HE-6 on is the Darkstar, and there were still some minor problems, none of which were about power, more presentation.
post #344 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


Little Dot MKVI. Not sure what it was rated at 50ohm (wasn't listed on spec sheet), but it is rated at 5W @ 120ohm. The only amp I've ever liked the HE-6 on is the Darkstar, and there were still some minor problems, none of which were about power, more presentation.

Can you be more specific about what you did not like about this pairing with regard to presentation? Too Dark? Too Bright? Just wondering.

post #345 of 372
Soundstage mostly, the hole in the middle. Found out I'm allergic to orthos and stats and most dynamics because they don't even bother to try to reproduce a realistic forward image. If you aren't sensitive to this issue, the HE-6 and Darkstar is a great combo. For me it's a dealbreaker, but most people don't even notice it, when it drives me crazy, so don't pay too much attention to my soundstage issues.
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