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Originally Posted by anetode View Post
 

Do tell...

 

Many good headphones scale with power. HD800 is an example.


Edited by cooperpwc - 12/14/13 at 2:06pm
post #302 of 372

It's only the ignorant people that would laughs at most of the HE-6 owners, and makes jokes about them needing direct hookups to nuclear reactors and such.  It's been clear a few years ago Power is not the only thing that's needed, people just like to hold on to old myths and not move on.  And just because some folks couldn't get the HE-6 to sound half way decent out of some mid level headphone amps - they wrote the headphone off.  Geese.

 

I use a lowly First Watt amp that's only 10watts into 8ohms.  No nuclear reactor over hear.  I have no issues at all with peaks or other wise.  Not all, but some folks just need to do their homework and leave those old myths alone, that's all it takes.


Edited by preproman - 12/14/13 at 3:50pm
post #303 of 372

As Confucius once so wisely said:

 

"He who only listens to elevator music is immune to the gravitational force of the Darkstar"

post #304 of 372
Nice dodging.
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I hooked my 70ohms HE-6 up to some nice McIntosh gear before and i was hitting 10W peaks at my loudest temporary volume off the 8 ohms autoformer taps according to the VU meter on the front. Therefore, saying 50mw or 500mw is pretty much non-sense. Do you treat your HD-800 or other headphones the same way? I think not, so people, go ahead and laugh away....lol


Edited by brunk - 12/14/13 at 5:23pm
post #306 of 372
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

I hooked my 70ohms HE-6 up to some nice McIntosh gear before and i was hitting 10W peaks at my loudest temporary volume off the 8 ohms autoformer taps according to the VU meter on the front. Therefore, saying 50mw or 500mw is pretty much non-sense. Do you treat your HD-800 or other headphones the same way? I think not, so people, go ahead and laugh away....lol

:beerchug:

post #307 of 372
If that meter is to be trusted you are listening louder than live level. This means your average listening level was too high as well. Poor ears frown.gif
post #308 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

If that meter is to be trusted you are listening louder than live level. This means your average listening level was too high as well. Poor ears frown.gif

I can assure you there was nothing but smiles and compliments from the fellow listeners. No ringing or pain occured from anyone, and it was for no more than one song.

 

...typical response, not surprised. 

 

EDIT: I have extremely good hearing by the way, far from deaf. I can hear up to 19khz, and A/B out 16khz. :wink_face:


Edited by brunk - 12/14/13 at 6:34pm
post #309 of 372
Typical response? I'm not the one arguing against fact.
post #310 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

HE-6 requires 20mW to reach 95dB, 632mW to reach 105dB and 20W to reach 120dB. Just how loud are you listening? Hearing damage starts at 85dB.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Typical response? I'm not the one arguing against fact.

:confused_face_2: 10W peaks, less than a song long in duration. :rolleyes:

post #311 of 372
Go back to anetode's post and try to understand it. There's just no reason to be experiencing 110-115db peaks in a home environment, unless your volume is too loud to begin with.
post #312 of 372

I don't have to understand an armchair response. Nobody's hearing was damaged in the process, i said that already.

post #313 of 372
That's not the point. The point is that people are arguing for these mega power amps, when the loudness the extra power brings isn't even useful.
post #314 of 372
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

That's not the point. The point is that people are arguing for these mega power amps, when the loudness the extra power brings isn't even useful.

Whose arguing for "mega power amps"? I don't see a single HE-6 owner in the threads saying so. Where are you digging this up? There's always an idiot, but arguing with one is silly. The most I see is roughly a 75wpc amp, and honestly that's a little on the low side for a speaker amp, so I don't think that is unreasonable. 200+ wpc amps is "going out of your way" to get a "mega power amps" specifically for the HE-6. So again, where are you finding this nonsense?

post #315 of 372
The mega amps thing has been going on since very shortly after the release of the HE-6. This is merely the latest iteration.
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Originally Posted by Nishy View Post

Hope you get what you like! My DS is on its way and I look forward to hearing it. That said, if you have any questions on EF6, please ask. The HE6 headphone as anyone will tell you really needs like 5w to make it fly, and fly it does. It is excellent sound / value even with a lesser amp. The EF6 easily powers it well and unless you are nth degree technically discerning (and I respect people here with ears and eye for circuitry better than mine, and I have taken their word too in ordering a DS) , I think EF6 is my best buy plus I have had excellent support from Hifiman themselves (I have no commercial interests).
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

115 dB to begin enjoying listening? I was under the impression this 2-5W was what was needed to "get the juices flowing". With that sort of statement, the unsaid portion is that even more is necessary to get the full effect. So what is the full effect if 5W is just getting started? 120dB, 125dB, higher?
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

I hooked my 70ohms HE-6 up to some nice McIntosh gear before and i was hitting 10W peaks at my loudest temporary volume off the 8 ohms autoformer taps according to the VU meter on the front. Therefore, saying 50mw or 500mw is pretty much non-sense. Do you treat your HD-800 or other headphones the same way? I think not, so people, go ahead and laugh away....lol
Oh and HE-6 is 50 ohm, not 70.
Edited by Maxvla - 12/14/13 at 7:38pm
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