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Originally Posted by alec cat View Post

Hi treal512, what is this Yaqin SD-CD3 device in your signal chain? Have you tried removing it?


http://www.cattylink.com/page379.html

 

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Great sonic improvement on details, expressions and extention

Capable of adding vacuum tube fantasy feelings to audio system

Harmonic distortion: ≤0.03%(1kHz)

S/N Ratio: >=60db(Weighted)

 

removal would increase the pre-transducer part of the system's SNR by about 30 - 40db instantly

 

post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JRG1990 View Post

Your tube buffer or headphones , since these aren't solid state eletronics or cables.


Headphones? Earlier it was mentioned a SR-x07 series electrostat isn't in the question as they would require significant upgrades across the board that more than quadruple my current budget. Do I think the SR-x07 is better than what I currently have? Yes. Would it be nice to have? Absolutely, but that doesn't matter. So what headphones are you referring to?

 

I am interested in what you mean by the tube buffer though, as I am by no means an expert when it comes to this stuff. Do you mean an upgrade as far as a pre-amp/tube buffer or the removal of it altogether?

 

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Originally Posted by alec cat View Post

Hi treal512, what is this Yaqin SD-CD3 device in your signal chain? Have you tried removing it?


It's a tube buffer and I have not tried removing it. Should I? Why?

 

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http://www.cattylink.com/page379.html

 

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removal would increase the pre-transducer part of the system's SNR by about 30 - 40db instantly


Not entirely following this. The signal to noise ratio would increase?

 

By the way, "supposedly" the Yaqin's S/N ratio is 90dBs, not 60. I have not personally heard any noise with the addition of the tube buffer.


Edited by treal512 - 7/30/11 at 4:32pm
post #18 of 29

I have just found that having the purest signal path, less connectors, less cables, is generally best. If you prefer the sound of the Audinst with the tube buffer in the chain, it suggests you would indeed do better to find a more capable source whose intrinsic sound you do like.

post #19 of 29
Tube buffers add color to the signal path. If you don't like the harsh digital world, a tube buffer offers a different flavor but at a cost. Simple (as Alec states) is best.
post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alec cat View Post

I have just found that having the purest signal path, less connectors, less cables, is generally best. If you prefer the sound of the Audinst with the tube buffer in the chain, it suggests you would indeed do better to find a more capable source whose intrinsic sound you do like.

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Tube buffers add color to the signal path. If you don't like the harsh digital world, a tube buffer offers a different flavor but at a cost. Simple (as Alec states) is best.

 

Ahh, I understand. I do enjoy the tube buffer in the mix as the SR-303 (and SRM-313 actually [IMO, the next weakest link]) is a bit lacking in warmth for my taste. I'll have to mess around with removing the buffer to really see how much difference it makes though as I have not tried disconnecting it since I've gotten it.

 

I think what I'm leaning towards after all this is a smoother (fuller and less SS/digital sounding) DAC for longer listening sessions like the V-DAC (+V-LINK?).. but I'm still a little confused as to the best method of connecting it all up cable/connection-wise. And of course, still which DAC to get. Can anyone offer to expand on that?


Edited by treal512 - 7/31/11 at 12:12pm
post #21 of 29
Budget?
post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 

I'm thinking $500 tops.

post #23 of 29

I would look at the HRT Music Streamer II+

 

It has the sound signature you want, is under budget, and will slot right into your existing gear!

post #24 of 29
Used? Buying here in the used forums will be your best value. I just typed in $500 tube DAC and came up with Monarchy NM-24, Eastern Electric Minimax, MHDT Havana, Music Hall 25.2.

I use a CAL Sigma II I bought new in 95. They go for about $300 on audiogon. All have a tube output/option.
post #25 of 29

 

First thing I would ask is what currently is wrong with your current setup?  Have you run any tests on your current DAC to see if it has any problems or room for improvement other than cost?  To me if you are looking for a different sound change your headphones.  If  you do not have any already try a pair of AH-D2000's or LCD-2's.  I really enjoy their sonic signatures especially out of a really flat output amp.

 

As we say in the biz: "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"

 

If you are tired of your setup and want something fresh I would trade your setup for something comparable in a completely different headphone regime. 

 

It sounds to me you expect to be able to upgrade but really have no idea if an upgrade would actually improve your listening experience.

 

That said I would like to end in a quote from Headroom:

"...the source is generally (keep reading!) the most important aspect of an audio system. We build a variety of digital to analog converters (DACs) to further improve your audio source. HeadRoom amps with internal DACs, and our stand-alone DACs, both contain high quality DAC chips in our designs; and, these contemporary high-end digital recievers and DACs are extremely good at reducing or virtually eliminating jitter from the digital bit-stream. Now, here's the exception to our rule about sources being so critical: when constructing a front-end for your stereo system, it is much less important where the digital signal is coming from when a very high-quality DAC is used. We've even found, in fact, that sometimes very expensive CD transports sound only slightly better than the digital output of inexpensive CD players or USB audio outputs from computers when using a good DAC. So, keep that in mind when putting together your rig!"

 

 

post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input, guys. After several PMs and hours of forum searching I ended up nabbing a few different DACs to analog/warm the sound up a bit from my 303s to make way for longer smoother listening sessions.
 
Happy listening! beerchug.gif

Edited by treal512 - 8/5/11 at 1:03pm
post #27 of 29
Which ones?
post #28 of 29

Let us know what you hear that may be different.

post #29 of 29
I'm using a Havana in my Stax setup (it's just the cheap 2050 for now) and I like it.
Audio-GD would be another option, being their dac sound signature smooth, relaxed, retaining all the recording information.heap 2050 for now) and I like it.
Audio-GD would be another option, being their dac sound signature smooth, relaxed, retaining all the recording information.
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