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post #16 of 44
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

Isolation is actually impressive. They isolate better than my Ultrasone Pro 900's. I tested a few things, and the isolation of the Shure 940's cuts down on more of the upper frequency stuff, I could hear less "sss" which made the back ground sound much more dull--excellent isolation. I also tested leakage, and they're relatively quiet even with volume up if the ear pads are touching all the way around. When you break the seal, the sound fills the room. So leakage is minimal, but it's there as you would expect, even from a closed phone. I would feel comfortable listening to these at mid-low volumes on an airplane. I would feel completely fine listening to them in a public area like train/bus/walking around as no one would hear it. And I'd wear them in the same room with someone else at high volume so long as they're not overly sensitive to hearing a feint music in the background.


Now granted, I was reading really fast... In your opinion, isolation and leakage are good, with velours?  That's pretty cool!  Do you think going to pleather would change this enough to make you want to?

 

(100th post, BTW.  Bow to me [a little bit]!)

 

post #17 of 44
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Now granted, I was reading really fast... In your opinion, isolation and leakage are good, with velours?  That's pretty cool!  Do you think going to pleather would change this enough to make you want to?

 

(100th post, BTW.  Bow to me [a little bit]!)

 


Heya,

 

I only have a single can with pleathers, and I'm not a fan of the feel at all (hot and sweaty, I like velour/cloth). Isolation is great though. I was impressed. When the cups are touching something (like your head, a leg, anything that it can seal to), the sound leak is pretty minimal. And while wearing, the isolation from outside noise was very noticeable. When they stop touching or the seal is broken, you can definitely hear them. I think if you switched over to pleather, it may enhance mids/bass, but you might lose some of the soundstage and it might become a little too bright. Can't say for sure until it's tried though. The pads are removable and come with extras. If I had some pleather pads that fit to swap, I would, just to satisfy curiosity, but I don't have any. The pads are very similar in size/shape to my Sennheiser HD580's. I guess some Denon pads might fit if someone wanted to try it. I for one was stoked to see Shure bring out velour pads on their new flagship though. I hate pleather.

 

Very best,

 

post #18 of 44

I am very low-class and love a good pleather.  Like the D5k (yum!).  If the velours on the 940 do their job well enough, though, I wouldn't be inclined to switch either.  Glad you're enjoying your purchase.  I really like that Shure seemed to improve upon the 840 and I hope to get the 940 some day.

 

In other news, I just took my wife out to dinner last night, and could have bought the 940 and a steak dinner instead.  Oh what this hobby does to one's outlook...

post #19 of 44
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I am very low-class and love a good pleather.  Like the D5k (yum!).  If the velours on the 940 do their job well enough, though, I wouldn't be inclined to switch either.  Glad you're enjoying your purchase.  I really like that Shure seemed to improve upon the 840 and I hope to get the 940 some day.

 

In other news, I just took my wife out to dinner last night, and could have bought the 940 and a steak dinner instead.  Oh what this hobby does to one's outlook...

 

Quite the dinner out with the lady if you could have nabbed a fat Steak & and a 940. Funny you say that, I just grilled a nice fat ribeye and had it while I listened to the first sounds of the Shure 940 today. It's definitely the way to go! Hah.

 

Tonight, I'm dating the Shure 940's while navigating the internets... haha.

 

Shure940_4xScreen_****.jpg

 

Very best, smily_headphones1.gif

 

post #20 of 44

Dinner was worth every penny.  I'd rather show my lady a great night out than fret about some new cans, though honestly I do a lot of both.  She reminded me last night that I still need to decide and buy.

 

Buying a ribeye to grill is the way to go, and you don't have to leave your new Shures behind!  I am proficient with a 2" steak; perhaps I should do this more often instead of visiting steakhouses.

 

And don't think we don't see what you're looking at on Headroom.  (Nice monitor setup BTW.  Long-read-optimized FTW.)

post #21 of 44
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Originally Posted by Lurkumaural View Post

Dinner was worth every penny.  I'd rather show my lady a great night out than fret about some new cans, though honestly I do a lot of both.  She reminded me last night that I still need to decide and buy.

 

Buying a ribeye to grill is the way to go, and you don't have to leave your new Shures behind!  I am proficient with a 2" steak; perhaps I should do this more often instead of visiting steakhouses.

 

And don't think we don't see what you're looking at on Headroom.  (Nice monitor setup BTW.  Long-read-optimized FTW.)


Absolutely! Gotta have balance.

 

And yes, always eyeing the next headphone to try... beyersmile.png

 

Very best,

 

post #22 of 44

Great impressions!

 

And if your basshead tendencies ever get the best of you there's a mod for that apparently biggrin.gif


Edited by 200poundsofamp - 7/30/11 at 7:19am
post #23 of 44
You already own the headphones you're looking for - the HD-580.

But you need to run them from something that isn't an OTL. Get a nice, low damping factor and enough power and the veil disappears. I'd recommend the Dynalo, CK2III or M^3. I think you'd find the M^3 amazing; the active ground gives you a lot of the benefit of being balanced. A three channel Beta22 will do it, too.

You could also try a tube amp with output transformers, but those can get pricey.

An AKG like the K-501 and earlier models would also be a good fit. However, I would not recommend running them from an OTL. IIRC, they're 62 Ohms. Most OTLs have an output impedance higher than that, which is not good. You'll want to run them with an amp that has low output impedance, like solid state or tubes with output transformers.
post #24 of 44
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You already own the headphones you're looking for - the HD-580.

But you need to run them from something that isn't an OTL. Get a nice, low damping factor and enough power and the veil disappears. I'd recommend the Dynalo, CK2III or M^3. I think you'd find the M^3 amazing; the active ground gives you a lot of the benefit of being balanced. A three channel Beta22 will do it, too.

You could also try a tube amp with output transformers, but those can get pricey.

An AKG like the K-501 and earlier models would also be a good fit. However, I would not recommend running them from an OTL. IIRC, they're 62 Ohms. Most OTLs have an output impedance higher than that, which is not good. You'll want to run them with an amp that has low output impedance, like solid state or tubes with output transformers.


Heya,

 

The Shure 940's are closed, which is what I wanted to get in the end, because my HD580's are open. I needed a new portable headphone that covers something opposite of what my Pro 900's do. Shure 940's did that. Loving them. I dig my old HD580's, but I also love getting more headphones.

 

Very best,

post #25 of 44

How the 940 sound unamped? Is there a huge difference between amped and unamped?

 

And about the sound leakage, how it compares to Pro 900? Is it 50% or less? (I think the Pro 900 leaks quite a lot for a closed headphone. I bought them to use while travelling, but I think I might get some complains on a plane / train tongue.gif).

post #26 of 44
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How the 940 sound unamped? Is there a huge difference between amped and unamped?

 

And about the sound leakage, how it compares to Pro 900? Is it 50% or less? (I think the Pro 900 leaks quite a lot for a closed headphone. I bought them to use while travelling, but I think I might get some complains on a plane / train tongue.gif).

 

Heya,

 

There's not a big difference in sound quality amped versus unamped. I like my audio a little louder than perhaps the next person, so it wasn't loud enough for my tastes. But for someone else, the volume would have been moderate perhaps out of an unamped sansa fuze. With my portable amp, it sings. And on my desktop amps, it sings. It takes very little amplification to squeeze out the last drops from the headphones potential. What I did notice with the amp was an increase in bass snappiness and presentation, especially when I was playing with the EQ to bring out the bass more forward just for curiosity.

 

As for leakage, the difference wasn't big. It was just noticeable. So maybe... 10%? Hard to put a number on that. Again, I noticed the kind of isolation cut down on higher frequency sounds like "SSS" compared to my Pro 900. It was noticeable. But not drastic.

 

The Pro900 and the 940 are really different headphones. I'm a basshead and really like the Pro900's for that purpose. But for acoustic sessions and female vocals and some jazz, the 940's are the detail oriented clear closed-back headphone I needed, and it really fit the bill. I will also say the Shure 940 is quite a bit more comfortable than the Pro900's, the grip and softness of the pads are just magical. They just float on you.

 

I've been trying to find a flaw. But I just can't. It doesn't have sweet tight gobbs of bass like the Pro900. It's not supposed to. I have to always tell myself that, because my ears are trained to go for bass since I like it. But this headphone, the 940, is satisfying. If this headphone was a little lower in price to compete with a wider selection, it would be insanely hard to beat it in overall sound, comfort, construction and style. It's still relatively new. But as it matures, if the price drops at all, I imagine it will be a popular headphone. I can't recommend it enough to anyone wanting a closed headphone that is not bass heavy, but more neutral (not bass lite), that can top out incredible highs without piercing and without sibilance.

 

Very best,

post #27 of 44

hey Mal got kinda weird question... which (pro900 vs 940) looks and feels higher quality? like a non headfier beat lover looking at them is gonna say these sound better (just cause they look better) . gf is trying to steal my 880s AND ld mkiii just cause they look cool, if I buy these for her and they look cool enough then I can keep them when she gets bored... genius level thinking mang

post #28 of 44

Quote:Originally Posted by Uncle Erik 

"<snip>...I think you'd find the M^3 amazing; the active ground gives you a lot of the benefit of being balanced. A three channel Beta22 will do it, too..."


Although I didn't get to hear the M^3 with the 940 I would agree. I would use caution with whatever amp I'd use though. They don't seem to like amps with power and higher gain. My three channel beta22 has 5x gain and the 940 has a higher noise floor that I would typically like. I'm sure the beta22 is a bit of overkill anyway. Even if the gain were reduced to, say, 2x, it wouldn't be an amp I'd buy exclusively for the much less expensive Shure.

I've been listening to the 940 with the bass mod and I really do like what the putty does to the 940. It doesn't bring the bass to the 840 level though. Thankfully. It brings the impact up a bit to a level that is satisfying to me and quite enjoyable. Maybe I'll do a step by step post from beginning to end with pictures when I find a bit of free time.

post #29 of 44
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hey Mal got kinda weird question... which (pro900 vs 940) looks and feels higher quality? like a non headfier beat lover looking at them is gonna say these sound better (just cause they look better) . gf is trying to steal my 880s AND ld mkiii just cause they look cool, if I buy these for her and they look cool enough then I can keep them when she gets bored... genius level thinking mang


Heya,

 

I think hands down the Ultrasones are some of the classiest looking headphones. They have brushed aluminum back plates, their logo is business classy, and the rest of the headphone is literally a hard rubber, so only those back drivers stick out. The Shures, the 940's specifically, are quite nice, but they don't have that business class look that the Pro 900's have on the back plates. The Shures are actually still very attractive. I think they look better than my HD580's by far. But I think my DT990's look better than both overall. When you see the 940 compared to other Shures, you're like "Woa! Looks great!' But that's because old Shures are ugly to me. The 940 just takes it out of ugly, and into normal or just above normal. I wouldn't say the Shure is something that you'd see laying on a table and immediately think, "Woa, is that a $300 headphone?" I think the shape of the headset and cups of the Shure 940 is very nice. The color is nice. The finish is nice. They are very luxurious headphones when you see and touch them. I think the Beyer DT990 is a step up in terms of look though. But the Shure 940 is more comfortable than both the Pro900 and DT900 significantly to me.

 

If Shure had made the back plates more interesting, or gave them a carbon fiber grain, or put some kind of material on the back plates, the 940's would become super classy looking. As it is, they're basicaly just plastic, completely plastic. Nice quality plastic. But they didn't do anything interesting with the cups themselves--which is why they don't look classy like Ultrasones or mechanical like the Beyers. If the Shures had aluminum back plates like Ultrasones, or an interesting grill pattern like Beyers, they would be sexy mess.

 

But hey, you guys be the judge. Here's some headphone nudes:

 

Shure 940 :: Ultrasone Pro 900 :: BeyerDyanmic DT990

 

940_900Pro_DT990.jpg

 

Shure 940 :: Ultrasone Pro 900

 

940_900Pro.jpg

 

900Pro_BackPlate.jpg

 

Shure940_BackPlate.jpg

 

Shure 940

 

Shure940_Solo.jpg

 

Very best,


Edited by MalVeauX - 7/30/11 at 12:23pm
post #30 of 44

thank you sir, off to amazon I am

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