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post #31 of 42
7/28/11 at 10:02am
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Cool, thanks. I had that basic idea of a subsonic filter but the defeatable raised an eyebrow. I'll get a new cartridge, stylus and a phono stage to complete my setup then. Thanks guys! I'm open to any tips if anyone else runs across this thread.

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post #32 of 42
7/30/11 at 2:58pm
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Cool, thanks. I had that basic idea of a subsonic filter but the defeatable raised an eyebrow. I'll get a new cartridge, stylus and a phono stage to complete my setup then. Thanks guys! I'm open to any tips if anyone else runs across this thread.



The stylus is the needle part of the cartridge....with some cartridges you can simply buy the replacement "needle", slide out the worn out part, slide in the new one, saving you the trouble of mounting/setting up a whole new "assembly" (IE cartridge). A lot of cartridges are still sold with this system in mind (not all but the majority of them I would say).

 

Peete.

 

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post #33 of 42
7/30/11 at 8:21pm

outside of the "wow and flutter" issues with vinyl there are some positives to digital bass. Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power. Its a nature of the medium. Finesse and musicality are another issue. Digital has IMO caught up. The secret - filters. With PC centered server popularity, digital music can be "processed" in many ways before it even gets to the DAC. Count me as a digital fan.

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post #34 of 42
7/30/11 at 8:26pm
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I think I prefer digital through headphones and vinyl through speakers. For me, vinyl makes it sound like the band is playing right there in the room when I shut my eyes and forget the speakers are there. Digital and headphones can do the same for me, but not through speakers fro some reason. Maybe speaker stands will help get the voices out of the carpet and sound more realistic like someone mentioned above.
 

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outside of the "wow and flutter" issues with vinyl there are some positives to digital bass. Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power. Its a nature of the medium. Finesse and musicality are another issue. Digital has IMO caught up. The secret - filters. With PC centered server popularity, digital music can be "processed" in many ways before it even gets to the DAC. Count me as a digital fan.



 

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post #35 of 42
7/31/11 at 12:20pm
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I think I prefer digital through headphones and vinyl through speakers. For me, vinyl makes it sound like the band is playing right there in the room when I shut my eyes and forget the speakers are there. Digital and headphones can do the same for me, but not through speakers fro some reason. Maybe speaker stands will help get the voices out of the carpet and sound more realistic like someone mentioned above.
 



 


If you want your imaging to straighten out, get those speakers properly mounted. If on carpet, get spikes. Also balance the feet so that all are bearing weight (no rocking of the speaker). That will firm up your bass as well.
Edited by Happy Camper - 7/31/11 at 12:21pm
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post #36 of 42
7/31/11 at 12:47pm
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outside of the "wow and flutter" issues with vinyl there are some positives to digital bass. Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power. Its a nature of the medium. Finesse and musicality are another issue. Digital has IMO caught up. The secret - filters. With PC centered server popularity, digital music can be "processed" in many ways before it even gets to the DAC. Count me as a digital fan.

Wow and Flutter is the result of your TTables set up including speed control, arm and cartridge set up and yes once in a while a bad pressing of the Record.. With all the right set ups on your turntable matched with a good phono stage that gels with the rest of your equipment the bass response from a great vinyl set up will blow away the compressed digital bass every time, At least in my system...... I don't know where you got your info about "Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power", but it may just be your system or your generation of listeners who are sold on digital music.......  Now don't get me wrong, the new down loaded high res. music is very close as far as frequency ranges.....This is JMO with my system...... Through speakers.....not that much difference with headphones..
 

 

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post #37 of 42
7/31/11 at 6:55pm
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What about FLAC? Is that compressed? And vinyl bass may be tighter and of better quality but not nearly as close as digital bass in quality, and as they say, most of it is in the recording. For bass on vinyl the grooves are thick and deep and hard to make of high quantity. I agree that vinyl has tighter and higher quality bass than digital. For my hip hop listening, digital works better. I think I am going to invest in a good DAC instead of a vinyl setup to get nearly the same imaging and not have to worry about pops and cracks that could damage my speakers.
 

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Wow and Flutter is the result of your TTables set up including speed control, arm and cartridge set up and yes once in a while a bad pressing of the Record.. With all the right set ups on your turntable matched with a good phono stage that gels with the rest of your equipment the bass response from a great vinyl set up will blow away the compressed digital bass every time, At least in my system...... I don't know where you got your info about "Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power", but it may just be your system or your generation of listeners who are sold on digital music.......  Now don't get me wrong, the new down loaded high res. music is very close as far as frequency ranges.....This is JMO with my system...... Through speakers.....not that much difference with headphones..
 

 



 

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post #38 of 42
8/2/11 at 8:39am

Since when did digital "compress" the bass? Unlike vinyl, digital bass is not limited by groove width. If anything, vinyl is worse for bass. Making out that digital somehow "compresses" the bass is just plain wrong.

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post #39 of 42
8/2/11 at 10:44am
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What I was trying to say! My point exactly!
 

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Since when did digital "compress" the bass? Unlike vinyl, digital bass is not limited by groove width. If anything, vinyl is worse for bass. Making out that digital somehow "compresses" the bass is just plain wrong.



 

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post #40 of 42
8/6/11 at 7:48am



 

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Digital bass has always trumped vinyl in terms or transients and power.

 

 

I must agree, and what you say touches on what I have been wanting to post here.  I have heard both LP and CD versions of the famous Telarc 1812, the one with the live cannons.  The LP just falls apart on the live cannon section, distortion goes way up, and SQ goes way down.  The CD does the same section with power and precision - the ONLY time I have heard an LP bested by a CD.  This is an extreme case, but it proves what I heard, and what you say above.  BTW, I still like vinyl, warts and all. 

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post #41 of 42
8/8/11 at 6:16pm
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I must agree, and what you say touches on what I have been wanting to post here.  I have heard both LP and CD versions of the famous Telarc 1812, the one with the live cannons.  The LP just falls apart on the live cannon section, distortion goes way up, and SQ goes way down.  The CD does the same section with power and precision - the ONLY time I have heard an LP bested by a CD.  This is an extreme case, but it proves what I heard, and what you say above.  BTW, I still like vinyl, warts and all. 



I decided to try a test.  I have the LP and I have it on a Telarc hybrid disc.  First I listened to the CD.  Then I tried to play the SACD layer but it wouldn't load.  (Plain old SACD's work just fine.)  Then I gave up on the hybrid disc and spun the LP.  Sounded pretty good.  Maybe you just need a more wiggly needle thingy?

 

As to 1812, I still prefer the Jarvi version with the chorus on DG.

 

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post #42 of 42
12/29/11 at 9:07pm
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OK apparently that whole "event" was a grounding problem inside the table and I has the wrong setting on the built in stage in my receiver (MC instead of MM). Well I'm finally listening great now!

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