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post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

You see how much more power they need from 40 Hz to about 150Hz (bass area) ? Impedance jumps from 50 ohms to almost 300 ohms. Thats why you're getting no bass.

 

If I follow your logic and  theses graph, then the k701 doesn't need any amping (which is the contrary of what everyone is saying here).

And the hd555 would need amping (and everyone seem to think here otherwise).
 

 

post #17 of 26

Its more of a "Will it trully benefit the headphones" when it comes to amping.  Some headphones will sound better and can even get a sort of synergy (hello tube amps dt880smile.png)  and some arent really affected at all. Im not saying go buy an amp or DAC but before you go and decide to take the 558s back try to sit down again and accustom yourself to its sounds. When your testing headphones you kinda have to look at them with a neutral point of view (or in this case hearing :p) and find what you do and dont like about them,

post #18 of 26

Exchange or trade them for Audio Technica ATH-M50's.  Then let us know what you think.  As mentioned by sidel if you do not already like the sound then nothing you do will make them sound much better.

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/audio-technica-ath-m50.php

 

If you can stand In-ear Monitors try Brainwavz M2.  They are amazing for the price and sound balanced with a slightly bass heavy shift.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Brainwavz-BWAVZ-M2-M2-In-Ear-Headphones/dp/B004IK1VBA

 

If you really want bass try Sony MDR-XB700's

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sony-mdr-xb700.php

post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post



 

If I follow your logic and  theses graph, then the k701 doesn't need any amping (which is the contrary of what everyone is saying here).

And the hd555 would need amping (and everyone seem to think here otherwise).
 


 

 

 

Actually,  thats what I said. Some headphones need amping even though their impedance is low. HD558's have 50 ohms, and yet, they need amping. 

 

Also, you cant compare them to K701's because K701's drivers are physically not able to produce as much bass as HD558's do, since no matter what amp is used with them, they always have a very light bass.


Edited by derbigpr - 8/17/11 at 4:26pm
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post

Exchange or trade them for Audio Technica ATH-M50's.  Then let us know what you think.  As mentioned by sidel if you do not already like the sound then nothing you do will make them sound much better.

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/audio-technica-ath-m50.php

 

 

 

Just a comment on that. M50's definitely don't sound as good as HD558's overall.  They have slightly more bass, but other than that, they're not as good as HD558's.  I remember listening to them when I was buying 558's and comparing those two, 558's were clearly superior in acoustic, vocal, jazz, classical, even some rock. M50's are better for hip hop and other bass heavy music.

 

If bass is what you're looking for, M50's will be a slight upgrade over HD558's, but its not worth because the rest of the frequency range is worse, and they sound very dull and clinical.  What I would get if I were to upgrade 558's are Denon D2000's. They have good mids and highs, and pretty powerful bass.

 

Although, I will repeat again. This topic was started in order to express the feeling that HD558's were not better than Creative Fatality, which, no offense to anyone, is an absurd thing to say, and there is definitely something wrong either with HD558's or with the source/materials used for listening on HD558's.  After all, we're talking about a PC headset that costs 20 euros and mid-range audiophile open headphones which cost almost 200 euros.

 

 


Edited by derbigpr - 8/17/11 at 4:27pm
post #21 of 26
Ive auditioned 555, 595 and 598 and I never personally liked what they had to offer at all; they sounded dull and flat (and before any amp buff comments about needing a good setup, these were all plugged through a peachtee iDecco. However one thing I CANNOT describe any of those 500 series sennheisers as is bright and harsh, in fact sennheiser is infamous (or famous if you're that type of guy) for their laid back sound and treble rolloff. So that really brings into question your recordings. A lot of stuff is mastered bright to begin with to sound good on entry level systems. Having a headphone with a more neutral sound will expose those flaws. Instead of changing your songs to accommodate the headphone, get a headphone that will accommodate the songs. I'm sure there's very warm headphones out there that can be recommended.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post



 

 

Just a comment on that. M50's definitely don't sound as good as HD558's overall.  They have slightly more bass, but other than that, they're not as good as HD558's.  I remember listening to them when I was buying 558's and comparing those two, 558's were clearly superior in acoustic, vocal, jazz, classical, even some rock. M50's are better for hip hop and other bass heavy music.

 

If bass is what you're looking for, M50's will be a slight upgrade over HD558's, but its not worth because the rest of the frequency range is worse, and they sound very dull and clinical.  What I would get if I were to upgrade 558's are Denon D2000's. They have good mids and highs, and pretty powerful bass.

 

Although, I will repeat again. This topic was started in order to express the feeling that HD558's were not better than Creative Fatality, which, no offense to anyone, is an absurd thing to say, and there is definitely something wrong either with HD558's or with the source/materials used for listening on HD558's.  After all, we're talking about a PC headset that costs 20 euros and mid-range audiophile open headphones which cost almost 200 euros.

 

 



I agree that something is possibly wrong with your setup.  The HD-558 should blow the Fatality out of the water.  I have a pair of HD-555's which were my headphone of choice for a year.  I know that the low end Sennheiser HD series headphones sound bright which is what you are describing by "being too loud."  Seriously try one of my recommendations and I can guarantee you will like what you hear.

 

The AH-D2000's are awesome, but a huge price jump for you.  They are $200+ new.

 

Anyone able to post charts of the HD-558 vs Fatality frequency response and 50Hz square wave response?

 


Edited by NA Blur - 8/18/11 at 3:54pm
post #23 of 26

Care to post how to perform the mod you speak of?

 

post #24 of 26

is this a joke..

post #25 of 26

Why does everyone start fuzzing about amp issues. Happens everytime someone isnt satisfied with their new headphone purchase.

And isnt there a amp issue people start fuzzing about source, then something else, etc etc.

 

Why go round the most obvious problem of the all, the headphone ?

It does not matters if the new phone is technically better or more expansive than the previous one. Only thing that matters is what OP thinks and wants when it comes to the sound. The HD558 didnt meet hes expectations at all, not caused by poor amping or poor source, its because the HD 558 probably had a whole different sound signature. Op is maybe not into mid-oriented cans at all, and maybe need a DT 770 instead, or maybe a Ultrasone 900 ? I dont know. The one thing I do know is that is waste of money to buy amp and dac in hope to make a can you think is bad, better. 

post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

HD558's are in a completely different league compared to Creative's, absolutely no comparison, and if 558's dont sound any better than creatives, then the problem lies somewhere else, not in the headphones themselves.

 

1) What kind of source do you have?  If you use them with onboard sound card on PC, dont expect good sound. 

 

2) What kind of music format do you use? You wont really notice a difference if you listen to 128 kbps MP3's trough winamp. Use foobar2000 or something similar and get some properly good sounding records.... like http://avaxhome.ws/hraphile/Various_Artists_Blue_Coast_Collection_The_ESE_Sessions_24_96.html  Buy it, of course. :P

Also, keep your equalizer settings (if you use them) to default.

 

3) How long have you used them? 558's needs well over 200 hours of burn in, and then they start to mellow down and become darker and smoother, also, you need to give your ears and brain time to adjust to the sound. DON'T force yourself to listen at high volumes. Mine have 500 hours of burn-in, and they sound completely different compared to new 558's.

 

4) Have you modded them? Removing the foam inside (google for 558 / 555 mod) will make the bass considerably stronger.

 

5) You DO need a proper amp.  If you think the only thing an amp will do is make your headphones louder, then you're very wrong.  You said they sound flat on low volumes. Well thats because you dont put enough power into them.

 

Have a look at this graph:

graphCompare.php?graphType=7&graphID[]=2861

You see how much more power they need from 40 Hz to about 150Hz (bass area) ? Impedance jumps from 50 ohms to almost 300 ohms. Thats why you're getting no bass.

NOTE:  if you check any other headphones in this price range , you will see that none of them have such spikes in impedance vs. frequency graphs, instead their graphs are flat. Why that is...I dont know, but its obvious 558's like power to shine in low-freq area.

 

Buy an entry level head amp....like Fiio E9 or Pro-ject head box, and you will hear a huge difference in bass. Then buy a proper sound card or DAC, and you will hear an even bigger difference in clarity, smoothness and soundstage.  Dont get fooled by their low impedance on paper and dont believe those who say "they're easy to run".

 

Yes, they will go pretty loud without an amp, but they wont sound nearly as good as they do with a proper amp.

 

Read my review on HD558's and you'll see I felt the same as you, until i realized i was getting 50% of their potential. Now, after about 9 months, I absolutely love them. They're very comfortable, bass is just right, mids are full and mellow, and highs are smooth and crystal clear.  Very nice to listen, very addictive sound signature.

 

My friend recently bought new 558's because he liked mine, and mine ((flac's > foobar2000 > asus xonar stx > fiio e9 > headphones) sound MUCH better than his.

 

However, even after the mod, DON'T expect subwoofer style bass, because you'll never get that from open headphones. You'll only get natural sounding bass, which will never be overpowering, but it will always be present and satisfying.

I was just wondering why open headphones will never have that much bass?

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