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post #61 of 71

I lean against censorship in this forum - even if some mod did take it upon him/herself to edit out several pages of the HD650 thread this morning to present a totally one-sided view regarding the "obvious benefits" of upgrading your cable.  There was no forbidden mention of DBT's in the deleted posts.  Evidently, generalized references to measurements, and a suggestion to newer posters that their money might be more efficiently spent on other upgrades, is enough to have your content deleted these days outside of sound-science.

 

It is a sad and frustrating state of affairs, and I see it as being extremely socially irresponsible on the part of head-fi's owners and mods.  That said, I doubt it will make things any better if the anti-science/evidence "true believer" posts start disappearing from this sub-forum without a trace.

 

 

post #62 of 71

A cynic might speculate that Head-Fi is a playground for sponsors where science is seen rather like an annoying insect that keeps landing on a delicious cupcake - which they're trying to sell as better than the other cupcakes because it was blessed by a wizard.


Edited by Willakan - 7/27/11 at 2:15am
post #63 of 71
Thread Starter 

I started a thread requesting Sound Science is protected more from trolling. It has disappeared. I have also requested that Sound Science has a bi-line like Cables etc does with DBT banned.

 

I have now found a forum where audiophoolery is not welcome

 

http://hddaudio.net/index.php

 

It is small, not headphone related, but it has hosted the first reasonable blind test thread I have ever been invloved in.

post #64 of 71
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I have now found a forum where audiophoolery is not welcome

 

 

They tend to take it too far in the opposite direction. They don't allow users to simply share their subjective experiences at all. The place is soulless.

 

se

 

 

 

post #65 of 71
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The place is soulless.

 


I'd hardly say that...

http://hddaudio.net/viewtopic.php?id=3118

post #66 of 71

 

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Just try some stuff out and go with what sounds best to you.

 

se

 

 

 

i am reluctant to parse words, but if measurements show "no significant audible differences", can you hear "what sounds best to you".  what i mean is that confirmation bias works both ways.  if you believe that differences in cables exist, you will hear differences - and if you are somewhat educated in measurements, and believe that there are no measurable audible differences, or if it measures "good", you won't hear any differences? 
 

 


Edited by fishski13 - 7/26/11 at 8:37pm
post #67 of 71
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i am reluctant to parse words, but if measurements show "no significant audible differences", can you hear "what sounds best to you".  what i mean is that confirmation bias works both ways.  if you believe that differences in cables exist, you will hear differences - and if you are somewhat educated in measurements, and believe that there are no measurable audible differences, or if it measures "good", you won't hear any differences? 
 

 


That's the reason why non cable believers want able believers to do ABXes, non believers think that they judgments is biased and therefore require someone who believe that they hear difference between cables to do the testing.
post #68 of 71
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Originally Posted by fishski13 View Post

 

i am reluctant to parse words, but if measurements show "no significant audible differences", can you hear "what sounds best to you".  what i mean is that confirmation bias works both ways.  if you believe that differences in cables exist, you will hear differences - and if you are somewhat educated in measurements, and believe that there are no measurable audible differences, or if it measures "good", you won't hear any differences? 

 



What was that middle part again?

 

se

 

 

post #69 of 71
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What was that middle part again?

 

se

 

 




confirmation bias affects both sides in this debate?


Edited by fishski13 - 7/27/11 at 4:31am
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That's the reason why non cable believers want able believers to do ABXes, non believers think that they judgments is biased and therefore require someone who believe that they hear difference between cables to do the testing.


yup.

 

post #71 of 71

Though usually I wouldn't do it, I'm going to make a public point to you guys here. These kinds of comments are exactly the same as those made by hypocrites who whine when they are moderated for breaking the rules, yet quick to point out if anyone who beliefs differently from what they do does as well. What you guys want is for the forums to be moderated in favour of your beliefs. When it isn't, you start up about sponsor-protecting conspiracies, which are easily disproven, at the very least by the amount of discussion that regularly goes on where sponsors and their products are criticised for every reason under the sun.  Exactly the same kind of conspiracy comments have been made elsewhere online by a handful of individuals who were banned from here for abusive behaviour, yet in denial of any responsibility for their actions, they instead spout utter nonsense that appeals to the common person who is easily swayed by such ideas (just as, equally, people are swayed by hype, they are swayed by groundless conspiracy theories).

 

Honestly, you can find the same format of arguments in the portable audio forums where people argue over which IEM is best.  I get the same kind of crap via PM after I delete people's posts there too.

 

What I reckon is, the Sound Science forum should be deleted entirely*. Not because I don't think science discussion should be here (it should), but because there is little to no genuine science here, only armchair discussion, which I think is actually worse in many respects, as, like news reporters often do with science topics, it is very easy to misguide people when you think you're enlightening them.  Consider that the dozen or so people whom I know who could be considered genuine audio scientists in any respect don't even want to read this forum, let alone post in it.

 

Now I genuinely hope you'll all go and have a think about what I said and consider how you all can contribute something more useful in the future than what you have been so far.

 

*It wont be, before you ask, I'm just making a point here and it's not my call anyway.

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