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post #46 of 66
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Originally Posted by scootermafia View Post

Stealth cables scare me, of all the high end cables out there, they look like they truly are hard to build and get parts for, I can't imagine building a cable out of liquid-metal alloy, for example.  I talked to the owner and they told me that they really do make the cables themselves, in house, with those titanium and carbon fiber connectors done in house too - pretty amazing.


Stealth cables are awesome, particularly Indra and Sakra which are very unique and some of the absolute best cables on the market. The connectors are not the off the shelf stuff from WBT, Acrolink, Furutech, or even Bocchino that most other companies use. It's all boutique stuff.

 

post #47 of 66
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Originally Posted by Somnambulist View Post

My view, ignoring all the science (which I take seriously), is simply that if studios aren't using esoteric cables in the recording/mixing/mastering/whatever of the music we all listen to, then I don't see the point in me using them either, even if I was rolling in money and had a big listening room and some Grande Utopia BEs staring me in the face. The only thing I like about some of them is they look nice, but if you're paying $4k for a cable based on looks then you need your head examined.


As was already said, you get the best recording you can, whether that's 180g or 200g audiophile vinyl, a high-res master WAV file, or just a Mofi gold CD. It's a constant. You can't go back and improve the mastering, all you can do is do as little damage as you can to what's there. If you're connecting your Focal Grand Utopia Be's to your Soulution or Boulder amplifiers with two dollar zip cord from Radioshack, you need your head examined. I'm sure Focal themselves would tell you that.

 


Edited by DaveBSC - 7/19/11 at 5:32pm
post #48 of 66
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Originally Posted by Somnambulist View Post

My view, ignoring all the science (which I take seriously), is simply that if studios aren't using esoteric cables in the recording/mixing/mastering/whatever of the music we all listen to, then I don't see the point in me using them either, even if I was rolling in money and had a big listening room and some Grande Utopia BEs staring me in the face. The only thing I like about some of them is they look nice, but if you're paying $4k for a cable based on looks then you need your head examined.



some studios do use nice cables

 

JVC / K2HD uses harmonix at their XRCD mastering studio

post #49 of 66
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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post




Exactly. Show me a brand new, dealer purchased Purist cable that has Belden wire in it. I'm just not buying in any way that this cable on the Japanese site is real. Purist has been around over 20 years, you really think they would be THAT stupid? And nobody would find out until now?

 

Purist doesn't necessarily make their own wire in house. A lot of cable companies don't. Extremely finely drawn, hyper pure Ohno continuous cast copper or hybrid alloys of gold/copper/silver of the type that Purist uses are very difficult and expensive to make. This isn't the contractor's grade crap that you get at the hardware store, and many high-end companies source their raw wire from wire makers. This is no different from any other industry.

 

The thickness in Purist's case comes from their shielding - they use either fluid, or stuff they call Ferox and Contego wrapped around the cable. In some cases a thick cable is all for show (see Virtual Dynamics), but that isn't the case here. Whether you think high-end cables can make any difference or not is completely irrelevant here, we're not arguing that and it's frankly irritating that every post about cables has a denier pop up just to shout ALL CABLES ARE STUPID AND YOU'RE STUPID.

 

Guess what, we KNOW your opinion already. Why don't you keep it to yourself.

 


Hear hear...

 

X 2

 

Peete.

 

post #50 of 66

rca cables use 2 conductors, xlr's use 3.  3 is 50% more than 2
 

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Originally Posted by .Sup View Post

wouldn't it use 33.3% more wire?

 

Edit: you probably weren't counting ground. I was puzzled before why you would say 50% more :D



 

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Originally Posted by Mochan View Post

If you care about fairness, is it fair that someone is selling a product for $4k when it in reality is worth no more than $100 at most, maybe even less than that?  Is it fair to the salary man who, caught up by marketing and hype, scrimps and sacrifices daily lunches, gets yelled at by his wife...

 

I want to protect people from getting scammed and down with the person doing the scamming.

 

(The Attorney gets back on his high horse and...)
 

The consumer has a huge range of choice - from the bundled freebee cable up to $30k+. With all sorts of well made and sensibly priced cables in between. And all price levels of cables have their supporters and their detractors. That's what I call fair. The point at which a high priced purchase becomes foolish is entirely a matter of perspective -  and how rich that person is.

 

The guy who is about to spend $4k on a cable does not need your help. He really doesn't. Not even a little bit. He's not asking for your help and he certainly isn't going to thank you for your sincere intervention. A guy who has $4k to spend on a cable has already demonstrated that he is financially astute, or just plain rich. A guy who has $4k to spend on a cable is not taken in by marketing hype - he bases his decision primarily on listening experience. The only people who seem to read marketing blurb are the cable skeptics. They do this in order get into their favourite state of mind, which is to be very, very angry smile_phones.gif.

 

There may well be the rare guy who spends $4k on a cable at the expense of feeding and clothing his children. That's what's called an addict, who requires a level of help that you have no skills to provide.

 

If you want to help somebody, there are millions people in this world who could do with your help right now. The guy with the £4k cable comes a very long way down that list.

 

(The Attorney gets off his high horse hopefully for the last time smile_phones.gif)

 


Edited by TheAttorney - 7/20/11 at 4:59am
post #52 of 66
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Originally Posted by El_Doug View Post

rca cables use 2 conductors, xlr's use 3.  3 is 50% more than 2
 


Not necessarily.

 

RCA cables are also commonly made using shielded twisted pair cable, same as is commonly used for XLR cables.

 

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post #53 of 66
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post


 

 

 A guy who has $4k to spend on a cable is not taken in by marketing hype - he bases his decision primarily on listening experienc

 

 

Nah, he may well be taken by marketing hype.   If you buy a product, you're also buying marketing.

 

Reading reviews is easy enough ; so is browsing on audiogon or paying a consultant - all things which can easily be done with enough money

 


 

 

post #54 of 66
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I bought a X-CANV2 amp about 10 years ago. About three years ago there appeared to be a problem with it, so I sent it to a compnay who do mods. I thought it would nice to upgrade and repair at the same time. I was e-mailed to be told that inside the V2 was the circuit board from the original X-CANS.

 

I contacted Musical Fidelity and sent them photos of the amp, circuit board and serial nons. I was contacted in person by Anthony Michaelson the owner of MF to thank me and apologise. He gets his amps put together in Taiwan and he blamed the factory's quality control, stating that they must have been putting the old circuit boards into the new amp.

 

Here I did what I did with MF and made contact at first with the company that sells the cables, who passed my e-mail on. Before there was a chance to do anymore the makers of Proteus, Purist Audio Design were e-mailed direct and replied that the cable was a fake.

 

Without any other evidence I will take both MF and PAD at their word, it was a factory quality control error for the amp and a fake for the cable.

 

I have altered the thread's title to reflect that.

 

 

post #55 of 66
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Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man View Post

 

He gets his amps put together in Taiwan and he blamed the factory's quality control, stating that they must have been putting the old circuit boards into the new amp.


 


Friend of mind recently ordered a 3,500 foot spool of cotton braid from a company in Taiwan.

 

He was rather upset when he received his order.

 

Apparently this is their idea of a "spool."

 

cottonball.jpg

 

A 10 inch diameter "cotton ball."

 

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post #56 of 66
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Originally Posted by El_Doug View Post

rca cables use 2 conductors, xlr's use 3.  3 is 50% more than 2


Again, this is not correct. The minimum amount of conductors for an RCA cable is 1 (signal). The minimum amount for an XLR cable is 2 (hot, neutral). Those are just the minimums. The maximum number is only limited by how many individual conductors you can manage to solder to the connector. Want to use 4 wires? 6? 8? No problem. At that point the connector does not matter, because multiple wires are used for signal/return or hot/neutral/ground. The only difference is the plug. This is why an expensive XLR cable may only cost a little bit more than an RCA cable (or in some cases costs the same). You aren't getting 50% free.

 

post #57 of 66
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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

Again, this is not correct. The minimum amount of conductors for an RCA cable is 1 (signal). The minimum amount for an XLR cable is 2 (hot, neutral). Those are just the minimums.

 

 

Um, the minimum number of conductors for both an RCA and XLR cable is two.

 

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post #58 of 66
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

Um, the minimum number of conductors for both an RCA and XLR cable is two.

 

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The shield in a coaxial cable acts as the return/ground, but it's not a traditional conductor. Perhaps I should've said 1 + shield.

post #59 of 66
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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

The shield in a coaxial cable acts as the return/ground, but it's not a traditional conductor. Perhaps I should've said 1 + shield.


It's every bit as much a "traditional conductor" as the two conductors in an XLR cable.

 

There is no requirement that an RCA cable be coaxial or that it be shielded.

 

Both RCA and XLR interfaces require a minimum of two traditional conductors.

 

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post #60 of 66
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

It's every bit as much a "traditional conductor" as the two conductors in an XLR cable.

 

There is no requirement that an RCA cable be coaxial or that it be shielded.

 

Both RCA and XLR interfaces require a minimum of two traditional conductors.

 

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Would you make a cable out of just braided shields? No, but technically you could if you wanted to. Any sort of metal for + and - will work. See coat hanger. If you have a 3-wire, braided cable with a shield, you would not call that a 4 conductor cable, even though the shield would be attached to ground along with the ground wire. 

 

The shield can take on the job of return/ground when there is not a traditional conductor there to do that job. I still wouldn't call it a traditional conductor.

 

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