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Proteus Cable, fake warning

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EDIT, the makers of Proteus Purist Audio Design state that the cable shown on the Japanese site linked to is a fake, explaining why there is a Belden cable inside a cable that costs £2500 a metre. Until someone is brave enough to take another PAD cable apart, we should take them at their word.

 

The Proteus XLR which at highendcable.co.uk costs £2500 for a metre

 

 

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Purist%20Audio%20Design%20Proteus%20Provectus%20Cables.htm

 

 

 

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The answer is Belden cable that is sold here as a non paired computer cable for $0.74

 

http://www.sjmediasystem.com/9535.html

 

 

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from a Japanese site that took one apart.....

 

http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/lemoxlr.html

 

I think that all cable makers should have to provide examples of what goes inside their cables.

 

 


Edited by Prog Rock Man - 7/20/11 at 8:01am
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Reminds me of JPS Labs, who got busted back in 2004 selling a stock, $6 Eupen power cable that was dressed up in Techflex and heatshrink for $350. They were even selling two "versions" of them, one for analogue gear and one for digital gear, claiming they had two different RF filters in them (molded into the plug). However Eupen confirmed that they made just the one cable with just the one filter in it.

 

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post #3 of 66
Suggestion? The seller is suggesting to the buyer that cable has a sonic value of X. The amount of desire the buyer has to believe the suggestion completes the act. Buyers aren't being kidnapped and held until paying the ransom. The buyer has some accountability here. There are sonically different cables. The value of the differences is in the ear of the buyer. But nobody wants to tell someone that they are fools to put such value to the product. I cite baseball owners and salary regulation. They will overpay to gain stature or perceived value over the actual performance of the player. Human nature and ego.
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Unicorn blood. Duh! biggrin.gif

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I find it hard to believe they're selling a $0.74 Belden cable for $2500. this's some serious allegation. is this what is really happening here? I can't read Japanese and even with Google translator I can't quite understand what is all the site about. is it possible that the deselected  cable was actually one he made, and not the original? just wondering. it would be worth if a Japanese speaker would send an email to shuks@jcom.home.ne.jp and ask some clarifications. I'd give them a call, but I couldn't find any contact number.

 

 

x2 Happy Camper

 

 

 

[edit]: I've sent PAD an email pointing to this thread. let's see if they send a reply


Edited by Lenni - 7/16/11 at 12:52pm
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I've got a reply from PDA:

 

 

Hi,

is this what you use for your $2500+ cables: a $0.74 Belden cable? http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/lemoxlr.html

 

please explain

 

 

thanks,
 
 
Hello Massimo,

What you show is not what is in a Proteus Provectus cable,  this was a from threat in Japan that was done from a counterfeit Proteus cable picture made back in 1994.  That is the reason we dropped the Proteus line due to the counterfieting taking place.

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

I've to say I feel pretty disgusted with PRM atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Lenni - 7/16/11 at 2:57pm
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Looks like there is more than one side to this story.  I was feeling some disbelief when I saw that.  

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Thread Starter 

The Japanese site linked to shows two other mods of cables

 

http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/cd.htm

 

http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/padsp.html

 

and it is pretty comprehensive site dedicated to hifi and someone who likes to take stuff apart

 

http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/viola.html

 

Google translate worked well enough for me to show that in modding a cable that has all the appearence of Proteus cables, including those on sale now, it was found to contain a Belden marked cable. I have emailed the seller who has passed on that email to Purist Audio Design, but no response to that.

 

As to dropping the Proteus line.......

 

http://www.puristaudiodesign.com/products/proteus/interconnects.htm

 

....it is still on sale today and looking exactly as it does in the Japanese site.

 

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Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man View Post

Google translate worked well enough for me to show that in modding a cable that has all the appearence of Proteus cables, including those on sale now, it was found to contain a Belden marked cable. I have emailed the seller who has passed on that email to Purist Audio Design, but no response to that.

 

As to dropping the Proteus line.......

 

http://www.puristaudiodesign.com/products/proteus/interconnects.htm

 

....it is still on sale today and looking exactly as it does in the Japanese site.

 


Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Show me a picture of a PAD cable from an authorized dealer that's been pulled apart and has belden wire in it, and I'll believe it. Companies in China make knock offs of Audioquest, Siltech, etc all the time, because it's extremely easy to make fakes and factory prices are expensive. I've seen "Oyaide" plugs selling for $15 that look pretty much exactly like the real thing. If I remember right, Parts Connexion was even fooled into buying fake plugs.

 

Purist has also over the years re-introduced an old name into a new design, and that's what they did with the current Proteus Provectus, which is not the same as their Proteus cable from 15 years ago. Purist Aqueous is another old name that was recently resurrected for Aqueous Anniversary a few years ago, and now Aqueous Aureus. Just because they use the same black nylon on the outside doesn't mean it's the same cable underneath. Purist cables aren't my favorites because they tend to be colored in one direction or another rather than trying to be neutral, but I would be stunned if the Dominus or Canorus had bulk wire in them, as that would mean that Purist has figured out how to compete with the likes of Stealth Indra with bulk wire. 

 


Edited by DaveBSC - 7/17/11 at 10:04am
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I really dont see this $2500 cable business staying afloat much longer. Their is not even any cryo'd-ness in it mad.gif

 

post #12 of 66

more misinformation and random bs... as usual rolleyes.gif 
 

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Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man View Post

Google translate worked well enough for me to show that in modding a cable that has all the appearence of Proteus cables, including those on sale now, it was found to contain a Belden marked cable. I have emailed the seller who has passed on that email to Purist Audio Design, but no response to that.

 

As to dropping the Proteus line.......

 

http://www.puristaudiodesign.com/products/proteus/interconnects.htm

 

....it is still on sale today and looking exactly as it does in the Japanese site.

 



 


Edited by Lenni - 7/17/11 at 11:57pm
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Aw, I was hoping for another garden hose.

So the manufacturer claims the cable was "counterfeit," do they?

Well I'll wager that no one would be able to hear the difference between a "counterfeit" one and the real deal. Nor would anyone be able to measure a difference.
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Well OF COURSE they would deny it.

 

I find it funny that you are more willing to believe and stick up for a company that sells $4000 cables. I mean I am sure in this world there are people with money to burn, but really? You'd rather defend a company that is clearly swimming in snake oil? No cable is worth $4000. Period.
 

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Originally Posted by Lenni View Post

I've got a reply from PDA:

 

 

Hi,

is this what you use for your $2500+ cables: a $0.74 Belden cable? http://www.shu-ks.com/zakki/lemoxlr.html

 

please explain

 

 

thanks,
 
 
Hello Massimo,

What you show is not what is in a Proteus Provectus cable,  this was a from threat in Japan that was done from a counterfeit Proteus cable picture made back in 1994.  That is the reason we dropped the Proteus line due to the counterfieting taking place.

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

I've to say I feel pretty disgusted with PRM atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Mochan - 7/18/11 at 4:47am
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i would pick the belden over a real proteus lol cable anyday.

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