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post #31 of 271

get the LCD, was in the same situation a week ago, went for the LCD, never looked backo2smile.gif

post #32 of 271

in term of comfort which one more comfortable to wear?

post #33 of 271

Rev1 vs HE500 comfort isn't too different, both are heavy and cumbersome, but I have no issues keeping either on for most of the day.

post #34 of 271

After adjusting the LCD-2s and the HE-500, they are both "comfort approved". 


Edited by Loevhagen - 8/12/11 at 3:50pm
post #35 of 271

So is the general consensus that the LCD-2 will be better for rock or fast paced music while the HE-500 will be better for genres like classical and jazz?

post #36 of 271
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So is the general consensus that the LCD-2 will be better for rock or fast paced music while the HE-500 will be better for genres like classical and jazz?

Yes. 
 

 

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I concur with the general consensus.  I had the HE-500 for a week- they did have a lot of amazing qualities and really wowed me when I heard them.  Standout features of the HE-500 are their lush, wonderful mids, though I found the soundstage a bit undefined and bass rounded off.  LCD-2 on the other hand were frankly plain when I first heard them.   In time I've learned that this character is due to their extreme transparency, emphasizing nothing and really conveying the recorded music.  Their bass has ample power and definition when needed, more than HE-500, but is never excessive (unlike D7000).  Likewise, the soundstage is more defined and natural.  They do a great job with voices, and are as good as RS-1 with electric guitars.  As mentioned before, noticeable qualities (detail, bass, soundstage) generally have that character because they are emphasized by the headphones and in time they become tiresome.  With the LCD-2 my appreciation of their sound only grows.

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Thanks for sharing ,very helpful !

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Originally Posted by KingStyles View Post

For pop, rock and r&b I would go with the lcd2. It has great vocals  due to its wonderful mids and the deep, tight bass which those genre will benefit from. The soundstage is better on the rev2 lcd2 than the rev1 and instrument placement is very good. I think you will find the soundstage is just fine for those genre since most of them are recorded in smaller venues which the soundstage is more than capable of reproducing accurately. The new faster driver and better extended highs has helped  the lcd2 come pretty close in prat to the he500. The lcd2 is more resolving getting more info out of the music.

 

The he500 has a really nice soundstage but the vocals arent as good as the lcd2. They arent as rich and there is a lot more space and air.  The bass is just a step down in quality from the lcd2 but still fairly tight and deep. Because the mids arent as creamy/rich it allows the mids to blend unannounced with the rest of the audio spectrum. This really helps in non vocal music where you dont need the extra attention to the mids creating a more even spectrum of sound. This along with the larger soundstage helps to make it a good choice for classical and jazz.



 

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Yes, its telling that most people who have heard both (you, sphinxvc, KingStyles, Sharose) seem to prefer the LCD-2 slightly. I think I've read as much as I can and am ready to take the plunge. It's a shame headroom isn't stocked for another week.

 

Now time to find an amp for them, as I'm sure it deserves more than my E9 right now. 



Yea, I like the HE-500 but prefer the new LCD-2 over them. IMO, the HE-500 have more seductive, forgiving and involving mids. Their tonality is slightly more natural too and soundstage more coherent (less disjointed) and a bit larger. However, they are rounder, thicker, and don't have the imaging, transient speed, attack, extension or transparency of the Audez'e. The LCD-2 doesn't have many flaws and the ones that come to mind are minor. The HE-500, despite all of their good qualities, commit errors too great for me to live with them in the long run.



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Originally Posted by eucariote View Post

I concur with the general consensus.  I had the HE-500 for a week- they did have a lot of amazing qualities and really wowed me when I heard them.  Standout features of the HE-500 are their lush, wonderful mids, though I found the soundstage a bit undefined and bass rounded off.  LCD-2 on the other hand were frankly plain when I first heard them.   In time I've learned that this character is due to their extreme transparency, emphasizing nothing and really conveying the recorded music.  Their bass has ample power and definition when needed, more than HE-500, but is never excessive (unlike D7000).  Likewise, the soundstage is more defined and natural.  They do a great job with voices, and are as good as RS-1 with electric guitars.  As mentioned before, noticeable qualities (detail, bass, soundstage) generally have that character because they are emphasized by the headphones and in time they become tiresome.  With the LCD-2 my appreciation of their sound only grows.

 

This comparison nails it IMO.
 

 


Edited by Shahrose - 8/18/11 at 10:56pm
post #40 of 271

LCD-2 Rev. 2 vs. HE-6 is a much fairer comparison, IMO.  

post #41 of 271
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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

LCD-2 Rev. 2 vs. HE-6 is a much fairer comparison, IMO.  

Yes. A properly driven he-6 is an amazing thing to behold.
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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

LCD-2 Rev. 2 vs. HE-6 is a much fairer comparison, IMO.  



Or rather HE6 vs LCD-2 plus $300 of upgrades to the rest of your gear.wink.gif


Edited by drez - 8/22/11 at 9:47pm
post #43 of 271

Good impressions guys. I wanted to add, if anyone finds the sound a bit "closed in" with the LCD-2s, a source and amp that present a wide sound-strage will help considerably. 
 

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So I actually got a chance to demo these (Rev. 2) in a store today. This is my first experience with an orthos, or any high-end can for that matter. I own Pro 900s, K701s and woodied SR225is, as well have extensively heard HD650s, DT880s and DT990s so I'm fairly familiar with mid level cans. 

 

I burned a CD with a wide bandwidth of test tracks, but somehow it didn't work with their CD player so I listened to two of the CDs that they had on hand: Bill Evans's Sunday at the Village Vanguard and Fleet Foxes's self titled album. The CDs were run through a Musical Fidelity M1 HPA amp (really sweet amp, btw).

 

First on deck was Bill Evans. These Village Vanguard recordings are great for picking up low-level detail because the live recording picks up lots of noise from the crowd: glass clinking, conversation, laughing, coughing... there's lots of ambiance there to immerse you in the music. When I first put on the headphones, I noticed that they don't immediately have a "wow" factor. When I first heard Grados, I was wow'd by the detail that it throws in your face. With the K701s, I was wow'd by the huge soundstage. With the Pro 900s, I was wow'd by the prodigious club-like bass. But as good as the "good attributes" of those headphones get, there are glaring problems with them that eventually sink in once you get over the "wow" factor. I found the opposite to be true as I spent about an hour of head time with the LCD-2. 

 

I remember being a bit disappointed with the details. I could still hear the crowd noise, but I had to strain to hear it. But I slowly settled down and relaxed, letting myself sink into the music. I turned around because it sounded like some people entered the room. No one was there, and it was really the crowd noise in the recording. Then, I re-focused, and all of the details ARE there. But they aren't thrown into your face as with K701s, and don't distract you from the music. 

 

The bass was the thing that stuck out to me initially. It was deep and impactful. I felt at times that it was a bit overbearing actually, and really more upfront than I'd prefer in a jazz song. But boy was it textured and sweet. You could hear all the textures come out in Scott LaFaro's plucking. I was entranced with just the bass section for the second half of "Gloria's Step" as all the little micro-details seemed to tell its own story within the recording. I never thought the Pro 900s bass could be beat, especially in an open can, but the LCD-2 does it better. 

 

On Fleet Foxes, I ran through some of the faster songs on the album, like Ragged Wood, to see how it keeps pace (I really wish they had faster recordings on hand). Midrange was thick and lush and creamy and rich. There's just so much body to the music -- it doesn't play within a space of air, but flows like water. Vocals were very upfront and took center stage, which would work very well for rock, pop and hip-hop even. I did sense a bit of sibilance on Ragged Wood, but that track seems to plague most of my headphones.

 

In regards to the congested soundstage that I kept hearing about, I felt it was the richness in the mids that give this impression. The LCD-2s just pack much more music within a given space, that it can feel more cramped (but defined). I took out a set of woodied SR60s that I had with me to test out a tube amp, and the airiness felt like a breath of fresh air. 

 

All in all, I've pretty much decided I want an ortho in the stable. Now, my decision is much harder because my small gripes with the LCD-2 is that the bass can be a bit too upfront, and I'd like a touch more airiness. Sounds like an HE-500 might present things a bit more to my liking. I wish I was able to run it through my own test tracks and that I could compare to an HE-500, but I loved the LCD-2 so much that it seems wise to just go with the sure thing. 



 



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Originally Posted by eucariote View Post

I concur with the general consensus.  I had the HE-500 for a week- they did have a lot of amazing qualities and really wowed me when I heard them.  Standout features of the HE-500 are their lush, wonderful mids, though I found the soundstage a bit undefined and bass rounded off.  LCD-2 on the other hand were frankly plain when I first heard them.   In time I've learned that this character is due to their extreme transparency, emphasizing nothing and really conveying the recorded music.  Their bass has ample power and definition when needed, more than HE-500, but is never excessive (unlike D7000).  Likewise, the soundstage is more defined and natural.  They do a great job with voices, and are as good as RS-1 with electric guitars.  As mentioned before, noticeable qualities (detail, bass, soundstage) generally have that character because they are emphasized by the headphones and in time they become tiresome.  With the LCD-2 my appreciation of their sound only grows.



 

post #44 of 271

I think if these were priced around $750 he would be selling a bunch of them. At our latest meet, the impression I received from quite a few people was that they are very good can, but for $50 more you can have the lcd2. Why buy the he500 when the lcd2 is just better at most things.

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Or rather HE6 vs LCD-2 plus $300 of upgrades to the rest of your gear.wink.gif


Still a toss-up.

 

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