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post #136 of 960
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How does the Philips SHE3580 compare to the JVC HAFX40 in terms of comfort while lying against a pillow?

 

The 3580 sits deeper in your outer ear, and has not protrusions -- I can fall asleep with it in and not even feel it. 

 

The FX40, OTOH, has that nub sticking out that I have to rotate out of the way of my outer ear -- if you ears are big, you might not have a problem with them.  The the 3580 is better sounding to me anyway.


Edited by kmhaynes - 6/1/12 at 3:10pm
post #137 of 960

Just got a pair of these (SHE3570BK). First impression: whoa tiny. whoa bass. Then over the first few minutes the other parts of the spectrum started to come out. Now I'm really impressed with these little things. Hope they continue to open up with longer burn in. Whoever thought it was a good idea to wrap the cable into a ball like that should be shot though.

post #138 of 960
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I got my hands on these finally. They must be the tiniest IEMs I've seen. And they sound pretty good too. Easily on par with the 8320, which means they're on par with sets <$100.

 

Wow this thread is still alive!

 

Between the 3590 and 3680 looks like these will be phased out soon.  Time to get me a few spares etysmile.gif Of course, the 3590 and 3680 may just sound almost identical but why risk it when I have almost half my mp3 catalog (that I listen to regularly) with EQ cooked in specifically for the SHE3580?

 

"How do these compare to dsnut's latest find the JVC HA-FX40"? I don't know, I'm waiting for you guys to tell me etysmile.gif

post #139 of 960

So I was tinkering around this evening, pulled out the 'ol SHE3580 for a quick listen after testing my Turbines as I'm looking for a new basshead IEM, I juiced up some tracks I use then waited for the bass drops, I kid you not these 3580 that had just been sitting in a take away Chinese container with some other budget bangs stomped my regular Turbines in bass volume / quality / especially sub-bass, not only that they wanted more, I bumped up the E11 to EQ2 and they ate it alive up until about 6 /8 on the volume knob. (Turbines do not that) Just out of no-where said HELLO tore up the Turbines then went back in the container. Just doesn't make sense!
 


Edited by H20Fidelity - 6/4/12 at 1:43am
post #140 of 960

Nice thread!

 

Its been a while since i've browsed or posted at head-fi.  I periodically come back to see if there are any FOTM IEMS that look interesting and could be used to replace my RE0s.  I like my RE0s but never loved them cause of the lack of bass. There top end sounds great though. They just a kindof boring after a while especially with drums.  I even bought a little FIO amp with a bass boost to help them out - which it did, but my primary use for these is on plane rides and the bass is just not strong enough with alot of noise, even when using some shure olive tips.  BTW, i'm not a bass head, but that "you are there" feeling comes from good bass.  As a reference I use a subwoofer with my stereo that is EQd to play flat down to 25 hz (down to 20 hz cost big bucks!) based on in-room spl measurements.

 

Anyway, I found out about these Philips IEMs and had to try them.  Too impatient for waiting for delivery of something cheap like this, I went to Target and picked up what appears to be the newer version of this model:  the SHE3590 with has curved packaging and lists as having "Dynamic bass".  They had one package of the SHE3580 in the square packaging for the same price ($15).  With the exception of the packaging, both sets look identical.  So I said what the hey and go with the newer model. I may go back later and buy the old version or the baby blue 3582s that were on sale for $12. 

 

Based on what has been described, these appear to be the same drivers.  The bass is pretty awesome!  Deep and tight.  Is it too much?  Probably in a quiet room.  But it sounds so good and doesn't interfere with the other frequencies that it's hard to want less of it.  The bass will likely be perfect for noisy environments (planes, trains and automobiles).

 

The mids sound fine to me.  They may be pushed back a little since the bass and the treble are up front in the mix.

 

The treble is a little too hot for me.  Its not harsh, thank God, but its just a tad bit much.  Like Joe Bloggs posted the resonances can be tamed with a parametric EQ.  Cymbols on some more compressed (recorded) songs don't sound right.  Hoping some burn in helps tame things a bit.

 

So there you have it, the newer SHE3590 appear to be the same as the SHE3580, but would need some direct comparison for verification.  Great IEMs for the money.  I think they are going to be a very nice travel IEM with the awesome bass coming through noisy environments.  BTW, I ended up liking the stock tips best but also like the Sony hybrids, comfies and modified olives.  The sound didn't change a whole lot with the different tips. 

 

Oh and i forgot to mention that these were a tad hissy on my Fuze and Zune, but an in-line volume control help that out.


Edited by Max F - 6/6/12 at 9:33am
post #141 of 960

Wow!  I had to go and EQ these like Joe Bloggs recommended and THESE THINGS ARE FREAKIN AWESOME!!

 

I immediately went back to Target and bought the blue SHE3582s (which were on sale for a few bucks cheaper).  I can confirm that the newer model SHE3590 (with the "Dynamic bass" packaging) is identical to the SHE3580 (with the "Lightweight design" packaging).  I also noticed no real change with 30 or so hours of burnin so i'm going to stop doing that for now.

 

EQ brings these guys to a whole new level!  I was somewhat sceptical since I haven't had much luck EQing headphones, but have had great success with my speakers and sub at home.  While EQing and going back to the original sound, I appreciated the approach of these IEMs towards music, but it's just too aggressive for my taste.  The bass is nice and solid but the treble is too hot with too much air.  Its sounds really good for some songs but strange for others.  Cymbals don't sound right and things get way too congested when the music gets loud.  I think its the peak at 6000 Hz that bothers me the most.

 

For the EQ, I used Joe Bloggs (see OP) and yuriv settings as a guide. http://www.head-fi.org/t/586909/the-discovery-thread-new-the-jvc-ha-fx40-page-83-jvc-ha-fx101-page-96/60#post_7999559

 

My ears appear to match theirs based on the positive results, but ears can respond differently to changes in the upper frequencies - so YMMV.  Also, I didn't drop the dBs as aggressive.  Its too flat for me.  I do like the extra bass (room curve) and some sparkle in the treble.  Here are my Rockbox settings for those interested:

 

LS:  -5.5 dB, 280 Hz, 1.0 Q

Pk1: -2.0 dB, 3000 Hz, 1.4 Q

Pk2: -8.5 dB, 6000 Hz, 2.9 Q

Pk3: -4.5 dB, 9000 Hz, 4.0 Q 

 

I think the SHE3580/90 work so well with EQ because they have nice mids and nice bass.  The bass and treble is boosted but its not at all distorted  The key to EQ is that you try not to add anything, just remove.  Once you take care of the peaky treble and bring down the bass a little, you find a lovely mid range and the imaging improves dramatically.

 

Thanks Jim Bloggs!! Now i finally have an IEM that I love.  That should keep me happy for a few years, lol! 


Edited by Max F - 6/8/12 at 1:58pm
post #142 of 960
Wow.. Thanks for your rockbox eq setting, i'll try it
post #143 of 960
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Wow!  I had to go and EQ these like Joe Bloggs recommended and THESE THINGS ARE FREAKIN AWESOME!!

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For the EQ, I used Joe Bloggs (see OP) and yuriv settings as a guide. http://www.head-fi.org/t/586909/the-discovery-thread-new-the-jvc-ha-fx40-page-83-jvc-ha-fx101-page-96/60#post_7999559

 

My ears appear to match theirs based on the positive results, but ears can respond differently to changes in the upper frequencies - so YMMV.  Also, I didn't drop the dBs as aggressive.  Its too flat for me.  I do like the extra bass (room curve) and some sparkle in the treble.  Here are my Rockbox settings for those interested:

 

LS:  -5.5 dB, 280 Hz, 1.0 Q

Pk1: -2.0 dB, 3000 Hz, 1.4 Q

Pk2: -8.5 dB, 6000 Hz, 2.9 Q

Pk3: -4.5 dB, 9000 Hz, 4.0 Q 

 

I think the SHE3580/90 work so well with EQ because they have nice mids and nice bass.  The bass and treble is boosted but its not at all distorted  The key to EQ is that you try not to add anything, just remove.  Once you take care of the peaky treble and bring down the bass a little, you find a lovely mid range and the imaging improves dramatically.

 

Thanks Jim Bloggs!! Now i finally have an IEM that I love.  That should keep me happy for a few years, lol! 

 

Well, you may be one of the very few people who have appreciated the true potential of these little IEMs that could etysmile.gif BTW, you can easily pick out the centre frequencies of the high frequency resonances in your IEM-ear combo by running a simple sine sweep program like Sinegen.  3000, 6000 and 9000Hz look too suspiciously rounded to me to be your actual resonance frequencies tongue.gif

post #144 of 960

Yeah, i was eyeballing the graphs.  I may try to fine tune a little bit later.  I'm actually more interested now in EQing my HD650s using some of your suggestions.  Thanks again!

post #145 of 960

Are these the same size as the Sennheiser CX300-II? Which one is more comfortable while lying against a pillow? Can someone compare the sound quality?

post #146 of 960

would u reccomend these for techno and  edm with vocals?

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would u reccomend these for techno and  edm with vocals?


Yes I would, they do techno perfectly. Excellent amount of bass with upfront mids, best of all none of that harsh treble associated with cheaper IEM's. I especially enjoy them with trance and dubstep, because they become really musical. I often find myself constantly analyzing my IEM's sound rather than listen to the music. SHE3580 are one of the only earphones I own that let you forget enjoying each individual song.

You won't believe your ears with these little gems.

post #148 of 960
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I believe H2O has spoken well for me. smily_headphones1.gif
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would u reccomend these for techno and  edm with vocals?


Yes I would, they do techno perfectly. Excellent amount of bass with upfront mids, best of all none of that harsh treble associated with cheaper IEM's. I especially enjoy them with trance and dubstep, because they become really musical. I often find myself constantly analyzing my IEM's sound rather than listen to the music. SHE3580 are one of the only earphones I own that let you forget enjoying each individual song.

You won't believe your ears with these little gems.

 

 

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I believe H2O has spoken well for me. smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!

post #150 of 960

wow am surprised at the love for such cheap IEMs!

Anyone here compared these with Mele M6s?

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