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post #691 of 698
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

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I recently found out you don't need to go a darker route to avoid edginess: just get one second hand R2R DAC from the mid/late 90s. Those are usually limited to 44.1/48, but boy do they sound glorious compared to anything S-D, and definitely less dark than Audio-gd PCM1704UK DACs.

 

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Edit: the Schiit Yggy is the culmination of this "old school" R2R technology, brought together with the modern capabilities (Hi-Res support / transport) at a very good price. Will be hard to beat. There's still room for different flavors and I don't expect it to be the be-all and end-all DAC for everyone, of course. I know I will get one.

My preference is towards modern gear which is also easier to buy (for me).

Maybe I should wait for Yggy, but it is almost twice the price of Octave!

post #692 of 698
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I would never buy a DAC from the 80s or even 90s for that matter - I would just wait and buy the Rag.  I've heard a few of those said DACs never thought to much of them.  If you call them less dark than a Master 7 then they are bright to me as the Master 7 is a very neutral DAC IMO..

 

I was thinking about the NFB-7 in that price range.  But I never heard it so I have no idea of it's sound sig.  I don't buy into all that Saber hash BS.  All DACs have different implementation so that will sound different.

 

The M7 is warm. The NFB-7 is my neutral line. It is still warmer than most other Sabre DAC.

 

I did not say 80s. I clearly specified mid/late 90s (so 95 and up) as this is where the transition from poor digital to great digital happened. Anything with UltraAnalog DAC chips or PCM-63 should be great.

They can be had for dirt cheap now. There's always a risk of them dying, but for the money I would take that risk any day.

post #693 of 698
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I would never buy a DAC from the 80s or even 90s for that matter - I would just wait and buy the Rag.  I've heard a few of those said DACs never thought to much of them.  If you call them less dark than a Master 7 then they are bright to me as the Master 7 is a very neutral DAC IMO..

 

You meant Yggy ? :-)

 

Maybe I should do some research on Master 7, too.

post #694 of 698
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Originally Posted by korzena View Post
 

I also want to avoid the edgyness, but would like to have a DAC that is as neutral as possible, but musical at the same time. Is it possible at this (Octave) price range?

 

I can't say. This is my first 'real' setup since 1980. When I first got it I thought it was great until it started to get on my nerves the more I listened to it.

 

It took a lot to calm my DAC19 down in order for me to 'enjoy' it. In the end I have more money in support equipment than I do in the DAC itself. I'd love to be able to tell you one way or the other but we're all different.

 

I hear of people listening to very resolving headphones with very inexpensive sources and I wonder how they do it because I'm pretty sure I couldn't.

 

I came from the TT era and I hated all of those clicks and pops. I never believed in the deficiencies of digital though until I got the HD-650's.

 

I've had a lot of DAC's in my system looking for additional detail, most of which were twice the price of the DAC19-DSP, but none of them stayed beyond the trial period. 

post #695 of 698
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I would never buy a DAC from the 80s or even 90s for that matter - I would just wait and buy the Rag.  I've heard a few of those said DACs never thought to much of them.  If you call them less dark than a Master 7 then they are bright to me as the Master 7 is a very neutral DAC IMO..

 

I was thinking about the NFB-7 in that price range.  But I never heard it so I have no idea of it's sound sig.  I don't buy into all that Saber hash BS.  All DACs have different implementation so that will sound different.

Good point Darryl...while many Sabre based DACs have been affected with the upper mids shout and overly sparkly treble, NOT all are! 

 

Case in point...the Concero HP that I'm currently reviewing is Sabre based and not a hint...and that's with my TH-900s that can be that way already a bit.

post #696 of 698
They must have done a good job improving the original concero, then. I really had a hard time with its sound... Was my first Sabre DAC...
post #697 of 698
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

They must have done a good job improving the original concero, then. I really had a hard time with its sound... Was my first Sabre DAC...

 

Not sure...I've only heard the ConceroHP. The Herus (also Sabre based) did in fact have that Sabre "shout", as did my (now sold) W4S DAC-2, the Benchmark DAC-2 and pretty much all Sabre based Peachtree DACs. 

 

But the Octave certainly is a DAC you won't have to worry about in that regard!

post #698 of 698
Anyone use LCD3 with the Octave? I heard one yesterday for the first time and liked it a lot but that was out of Hugo.
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