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post #76 of 225

The reason I care about his z1000 impressions is because if there's 20 glowing reviews for a product and 1 negative review then sometimes that 1 negative review is correct, but I'm doubtful because Sony flagships are usually very good.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the ZX700 doesn't sound like a true studio monitor, I haven't heard it, but the MDR-V6 does have a bit of a boring studio monitor sound imho, I'm not sure what a true studio monitor headphone is supposed to sound like but sometimes I wonder if a studio mixer is using certain headphones for a mix then the mix is going to sound best on those headphones, and maybe that's why the V6 is so popular because a lot of music sounds good on the V6? Lol idk...

 

It's OK if you don't like the RE0 tdockweiler, perhaps I was in a sarcastic mood, anyway I was curious why and now you answered "non-existant bass" OK, well that was a common complaint with the RE0 especially from non head-fiers which was one of the main motives behind developing the RE-Zero (easier to drive, more bass).

 

 

post #77 of 225
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No problem. I probably took it the wrong way. When I hear a headphone that's loved by everyone and I hate it, I think it's good to point out to people that I don't like it. Reading dozens of glowing reviews for headphones kind of gets old. I wish more people were not afraid of pointing out the negatives in their favorite headphone. Even my 6400 isn't perfect, but pretty close for me.

 

I think it's possible for very bad headphones to get a ton of good reviews. Just look at Amazon headphone reviews! Ok, someone will hate me for my opinion on this, but just look at all those positive reviews for the Kicker HP541. It makes no sense. Same with Bestbuy "reviews". Ok, but this is Head-fi! These days when I buy a new headphone it's based off it's sound signature mostly. I must be a nerd or something. I hear "forward mids" and I immediately MUST have it! That's one reason I bought the ZX700. In the end I felt the MDR-V6 was more clear and detailed and had more accurate tonality. I'm still not a huge fan of it though due to it's mids and bloated mid-bass (on my pair!). For the price it's quite good. The ZX700 is actually the rare headphone that didn't have enough treble. Yet some of my favorites are close to being considered "dark" headphones.

 

The RE0 isn't horrible. I just had major problems getting any sort of decent bass out of it. I usually don't even care much about bass. Most of my favorite headphones don't even have that much bass impact at all. My RE0 at times sounded a bit tinny, but it has lots of detail. I'm sure they improved it. I think maybe one problem is that I had too high of expectations of it and I had the Triple Fi 10 at the time. I used that for 3 years straight and I remember having to pay full price on it when it first came out. I think it was over $300!!
 

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The reason I care about his z1000 impressions is because if there's 20 glowing reviews for a product and 1 negative review then sometimes that 1 negative review is correct, but I'm doubtful because Sony flagships are usually very good.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the ZX700 doesn't sound like a true studio monitor, I haven't heard it, but the MDR-V6 does have a bit of a boring studio monitor sound imho, I'm not sure what a true studio monitor headphone is supposed to sound like but sometimes I wonder if a studio mixer is using certain headphones for a mix then the mix is going to sound best on those headphones, and maybe that's why the V6 is so popular because a lot of music sounds good on the V6? Lol idk...

 

It's OK if you don't like the RE0 tdockweiler, perhaps I was in a sarcastic mood, anyway I was curious why and now you answered "non-existant bass" OK, well that was a common complaint with the RE0 especially from non head-fiers which was one of the main motives behind developing the RE-Zero (easier to drive, more bass).

 

 



 

post #78 of 225

It's funny tdockweiler, the more you talk about earpieces you've used in the past, the more your experiences and preferences sound like mine biggrin.gif ... this makes me extra excited to get these 6400s! Should be here by the end of the week..

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No problem. I probably took it the wrong way. When I hear a headphone that's loved by everyone and I hate it, I think it's good to point out to people that I don't like it. Reading dozens of glowing reviews for headphones kind of gets old. I wish more people were not afraid of pointing out the negatives in their favorite headphone. Even my 6400 isn't perfect, but pretty close for me.

 

I think it's possible for very bad headphones to get a ton of good reviews. Just look at Amazon headphone reviews!
 

 


Ok then =)

 

Well I usually only give positive impressions, but here you go.......

 

I hate AKG k701.

 

I hate the Grado I heard

 

I didn't like the Koss PortaPro very much (used it for years, though).

 

I hate every portable amplifier I've tried, considering they didn't do much apart from increase the volume or colour the sound.  I tried a $600+ portable amplifier yesterday and it decreased the naturalism of the sound in the headphone I was using, this is 100% true.

 

The Stax SR-404 Signature is very good, but it wasn't involving, I just didn't listen to it for more than half an hour at a time, it is right up there with a unique transparency and presentation, but it just doesn't present music in the right way, for me, I think I'll most likely find other Stax headphones the same, not that I'm very interested in electrostatic right now though, since they're all made in Japan and very expensive.

 

I don't hate the Dr. Dre Beats Studio...... but I have listened to them, and they are a complete joke!! I feel really sorry for people that are buying them at that price!!

 

I don't like Sony MDR-V6 very much.

 

I love (or have loved) the Sony MDR-EX700 (their previous flagship IEM), but it makes you go deaf.

 

I hate the Shure SE535

 

I hate everything Sennheiser I've heard (in the cheap range, that is).

 

I tried a $1000+ custom IEM yesterday and it certainly didn't sound like a thousand bucks (actually I had no idea what it was, how much it cost, or how many drivers it had inside it). So it was like a blind test =)

 

Hmmm what else....

 

 

 

post #80 of 225
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For anyone that's interested, I just noticed Tyll has posted some frequency graphs for the 6400 and 8400 here:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-data-sheet-downloads

 

The 8400 graph looks a bit different than what my ears hear of course, especially that bump starting at just before 100hz for the 8400. I actually would have expected this from the 6400 instead.

 

Hopefully he gets a chance to review them!

post #81 of 225

Well, judging off the graph alone, I predicted the 8400 in terms of bass.

But I will admit, the treble had me a bit confused. It looks nearly the same.

post #82 of 225

Is the treble as rough as it looks on those graphs?

 

And what do you mean about the 6400 being a Gradoed srh940? That actually sounds pretty cool.

post #83 of 225
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Is the treble as rough as it looks on those graphs?

 

And what do you mean about the 6400 being a Gradoed srh940? That actually sounds pretty cool.


It's got it's bright peaks, but it's not bugging me at all. Then again, I prefer the slightly bright headphone.

 

It's a very upfront SRH940 basically. Very appealing midrange, with a sound signature that hit you like a wall.

 

post #84 of 225
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

Well, judging off the graph alone, I predicted the 8400 in terms of bass.

But I will admit, the treble had me a bit confused. It looks nearly the same.

 

Yesterday I was playing Uncharted 2 for a few hours and kept comparing them both (with music too). The treble on both seemed so very similar this time around!

The 8400 certainly isn't a problem really for me when it comes to it's treble now and never really was. I'm glad that it was way less of a problem than my first pair.

 

I still don't get why my pair of 6400's just gives me this impression of more bass impact. From what I'm hearing it feels like there's a little more mid-bass too on my 6400, which doesn't seem to make any sense. Drums sound much better on the 6400. At least with my pair.

 

I'll be using mostly the 6400, but I want to see if anything on my 8400 changes with more burn-in. Probably not. I'd say now the 8400 has had maybe 8-10 hours of use on my head. Maybe 8 hours of burn-in in a drawer. Didn't notice any difference with this pair after burn-in.

 

Can't say it enough, but the 6400 is just fun to listen to. Not what I usually expect from a studio monitor. I definitely think the 8400 has more sub-bass, but I think I mentioned that in my quick comparison.

 

 


 

 

post #85 of 225

Hi All .My first post in this wonderful forum.

Carefully reading this thread I’ve  ordered 6400.   Probably I’ll receive  them at the same time with Alessandro MS1i which suppose to give me great Iron Maiden experience. Till now I’ve used Hippo VB /absolutely not recommended for Rock and Metal while good for some Pop and R&B/ and Philips SHE9850 /very suitable for Rock and Metal/.  I can only hope MS1i and 6400 aren’t the same in terms of sound presentation – Actually I hope 6400 to be my versatile phones. So I just wanna  say thanks   Tdockweiler and Katun - your review and commentary gave me detailed picture of what to expect - great job.

post #86 of 225

Who the h3ll is KRK KNS KDERCV anyway?

post #87 of 225
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Who the h3ll is KRK KNS KDERCV anyway?


???

 

post #88 of 225

Shut your pie-hole ZYZYXQ1

post #89 of 225
Thread Starter 

Have you been taking any prescription medications?

post #90 of 225
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Shut your pie-hole ZYZYXQ1


Haha, you've been somewhat humorous but what in the world are you rambling on about? And what is with the "Q1"?

 

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Back to the 6400, the 8400 memory pads definitely bump its performance and comfort a notch.  Sound-wise it's basically equivalent pressing the old pads against your ears, but without actually bringing the drivers in any closer and taking a soundstage hit. Treble seemed a bit better, surprisingly, when I had the original pad on one ear and the 8400 pad on the other, but of course it's hard to be completely certain as the volume was greater with the better fitting memory pad.

 

Kind of a shame that KRK doesn't just sell the 6400 with that pad for a few bucks more, but then all the big boys come up with artificial distinctions between models in order to build market share.

 

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