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post #1096 of 1499
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Yeah - I was going to say they are just about stand ends for each other.  Using the balanced outputs of the BHA-1 that is..

But one is truly balanced back to front and costs about $500 less.

post #1097 of 1499
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

But one is truly balanced back to front and costs about $500 less.

 

Well - I wasn't going to speak on the design - but if you insist basshead.gif

post #1098 of 1499
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Well - I wasn't going to speak on the design - but if you insist basshead.gif

However sonically, I felt that the BHA was a bit more transparent window to the music than the MJ. And construction-wise, the BHA looks the part of a $1k+ amp. It is very well put together.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/2/13 at 6:32pm
post #1099 of 1499
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


Looks like you kept the Mojo over the BHA-1 - why?
I had traded the bha-1 with cash for the lcd3 many months ago as my friend and I were equally interested in the exchange. I still prefer the bha-1, I simply kept the mojo for my secondary rig.
post #1100 of 1499
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

Sorry, to my ears...the amp is on the bright side. biggrin.gif

 

I would put the V200 on the darker side and the GS-X bang on neutral. 

 

Bryston amplifiers are the top choice for studios here. Most of these deal with classical music or film scoring even though the fact is not generally known. The prime reason for that is their truthfulness to the source. They are certainly not bright. They are what the recording makes of them. 

 

The reason some find them bright is lack of experience with any form of music production or real live instruments. It is one thing not to like the sound of it and a completely other thing to call something bright when in fact it is not. If it is bright for you, then you either have a problem with component matching in your system or you really have a wrong perception of how a concert grand or a trumpet sounds. 

 

Now some people tend to agree with this factor of realism instantly and some are accustomed to it due to their profession. National / local instruments here have a very distinctive tone to them. The smallest ones (freely translated to English as "pearls") are harmonically rich due to the double E-strings for example. The wealth of harmonics makes them exceedingly difficult to record and out of all the amplifiers, most of which you've never even heard of, Bryston amplifiers do these instruments a justice. 

 

They aren't aggressive either. The word I'd use to describe them is "assertive" and there's a distinctive difference between the two. There is one other thing that should be taken into account when Bryston amplifiers are in question. Similar to Pass Labs amplifiers (and I do usually make comparisons between the two), they were meant to run continously so they won't even show their character if they haven't been properly warmed-up. It has to do with the way how amplifiers have been tested and fine-tuned during "soak test" procedures and those are done to ensure stable operation under the most extreme conditions.

 

Cheers!

Antun


Edited by R Giskard - 6/3/13 at 9:19am
post #1101 of 1499
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post

 

Bryston amplifiers are the top choice for studios here. Most of these deal with classical music or film scoring even though the fact is not generally known. The prime reason for that is their truthfulness to the source. They are certainly not bright. They are what the recording makes of them. 

 

The reason some find them bright is lack of experience with any form of music production or real live instruments. It is one thing not to like the sound of it and a completely other thing to call something bright when in fact it is not. If it is bright for you, then you either have a problem with component matching in your system or you really have a wrong perception of how a concert grand or a trumpet sounds. 

 

Now some people tend to agree with this factor of realism instantly and some are accustomed to it due to their profession. National / local instruments here have a very distinctive tone to them. The smallest ones (freely translated to English as "pearls") are harmonically rich due to the double E-strings for example. The wealth of harmonics makes them exceedingly difficult to record and out of all the amplifiers, most of which you've never even heard of, Bryston amplifiers do these instruments a justice. 

 

They aren't aggressive either. The word I'd use to describe them is "assertive" and there's a distinctive difference between the two. There is one other thing that should be taken into account when Bryston amplifiers are in question. Similar to Pass Labs amplifiers (and I do usually make comparisons between the two), they were meant to run continously so they won't even show their character if they haven't been properly warmed-up. It has to do with the way how amplifiers have been tested and fine-tuned during "soak test" procedures and those are done to ensure stable operation under the most extreme conditions.

 

Cheers!

Antun

 

I'm not arguing that Bryston's studio gear is neutral....just that the BHA-1 is north of neutral on the "brighter side" when compared to what I would consider "neutral". The Soloist is more in line with that and the GS-X is likely the best SS amp I've heard in that regard. I'm a fan of Bryston as a company, they're not too far from me (I'm in Toronto).

post #1102 of 1499
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

I'm not arguing that Bryston's studio gear is neutral....just that the BHA-1 is north of neutral on the "brighter side" when compared to what I would consider "neutral". The Soloist is more in line with that and the GS-X is likely the best SS amp I've heard in that regard. I'm a fan of Bryston as a company, they're not too far from me (I'm in Toronto).

Hi!

 

Well, that is the thing. The BHA-1 is the closest thing to their SST^2 amplifiers. Linearity is exceptional with absolutely zero coloration in the high end.  

post #1103 of 1499

Hi,

I was able to get a listen to the Bryston BHA-1 last week..

It impressed me with dynamics, clarity, and its neutral sonics.

 

I heard no harshness or high end tilt at all..

a very nice amp.

(and the best guarantee around)

 

Joe

post #1104 of 1499
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post

Hi!

 

Well, that is the thing. The BHA-1 is the closest thing to their SST^2 amplifiers. Linearity is exceptional with absolutely zero coloration in the high end.  

Again...and for the last time: The BHA-1 is not linear to my ears. It's tipped to the aggressive/bright side of things. And my GOLD STANDARD is the GS-X in terms of colouration. I would suggest you go hear one and see if you still feel the same way.

post #1105 of 1499

Everything is usually relative for us humans.

 

One man's bright is another man dull, it comes down to what its compared to.

 

Usually electronics are compared to other electronics. Is one bright or the other dull, that's up to the listener to decide.

 

I have been in the industry for almost thirty years, and yes I have my opinions (strong ones) and most are probably wrong as I am not comparing the sound of gear to real music.

 

The bottom line, who friggin cares, buy what YOU think sounds good. After all the reading I did here (head-fi) I thought hmmmm, don't think HD800's are for me. One listen was all it took, a complete 180, I love them.

post #1106 of 1499
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Originally Posted by s4s4s4 View Post

Everything is usually relative for us humans.

 

One man's bright is another man dull, it comes down to what its compared to.

 

Usually electronics are compared to other electronics. Is one bright or the other dull, that's up to the listener to decide.

 

I have been in the industry for almost thirty years, and yes I have my opinions (strong ones) and most are probably wrong as I am not comparing the sound of gear to real music.

 

The bottom line, who friggin cares, buy what YOU think sounds good. After all the reading I did here (head-fi) I thought hmmmm, don't think HD800's are for me. One listen was all it took, a complete 180, I love them.

The GS-X is roundly considered one of the best examples of "wire with gain" around. I've heard/owned many amps and have to agree. My point is to claim that amp X is totally neutral, go listen to Y, Z, etc... that are also considered neutral and then make the final call for yourself. smile.gif

post #1107 of 1499
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Again...and for the last time: The BHA-1 is not linear to my ears. It's tipped to the aggressive/bright side of things. And my GOLD STANDARD is the GS-X in terms of colouration. I would suggest you go hear one and see if you still feel the same way.

For the last time? This is a forum mate! Not a bully's definition of a debate - "agree with me or I will make you agree".

 

These amplifiers wouldn't be used where they are if they weren't as flat as a ruler. I think you lack the base foundation of how something sounds. Otherwise you would know that "to my ears" really isn't the best way of evaluating audio equipment. Neutrality is the single most difficult parameter to evaluate in audio reproduction and it is also the most dificult thing for manufacturer's to achieve regardless of how flat the frequency response is. Still, there are people that wave with this term like a kid who's found his dad's gun.

 

I am quite familiar with the Headamp for I had that amplifier and ultimately sold it three years ago as it wasn't what I needed at the time. Since then I've had around forteen amplifiers, nine out of which I still do and seven out of those you've never heard of, and all of them are better amplifiers than the Headamp and that is why I still have them.

 

The point? If it is "to your ears" then it ultimately doesn't matter to anyone else but you and that's really fine and I have no objection to that unless you start using "the bully's definition" and argue that it is your view that is the right one just because your hearing tells you. I doubt you have the foundation to be able to do that.

 

Cheers!

Antun


Edited by R Giskard - 6/5/13 at 12:26am
post #1108 of 1499

Everyone needs to calm down and enjoy what they love the sound of best and talk about it in a sane fashion or this thread will be locked soon.

 

Long live the great SS amps, GS-X, BHA and the like.

 

Oh, and I would love to listen to one of those GS-X's one day. Had some fun last night comparing the LCD-2's, HE500's and the wonderful HD800's on my equally wonderful (to my ears) BHA-1

 

;-D

post #1109 of 1499

James,

 

I have read in some other forum that Bryston is planning on adding optical drive to the BDP range of digital players. Can you please give us some updates on that? Also, I have read that Bryston is planning on making a separate USB-S/PDIF interface for the people that have a BDA-1 and are not willing to give it up.

 

One other thing, I would like to see a stereo three-way active crossover system. Something that would be perhaps a little more specified for your T model speakers and less general so that in the end it is a bit cheaper. Most people don't even know how damaging passive crossovers are (in most cases but it isn't really a rule) so something that is more straightforward might change their mind.

post #1110 of 1499
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post

For the last time? This is a forum mate! Not a bully's definition of a debate - "agree with me or I will make you agree".

 

These amplifiers wouldn't be used where they are if they weren't as flat as a ruler. I think you lack the base foundation of how something sounds. Otherwise you would know that "to my ears" really isn't the best way of evaluating audio equipment. Neutrality is the single most difficult parameter to evaluate in audio reproduction and it is also the most dificult thing for manufacturer's to achieve regardless of how flat the frequency response is. Still, there are people that wave with this term like a kid who's found his dad's gun.

 

I am quite familiar with the Headamp for I had that amplifier and ultimately sold it three years ago as it wasn't what I needed at the time. Since then I've had around forteen amplifiers, nine out of which I still do and seven out of those you've never heard of, and all of them are better amplifiers than the Headamp and that is why I still have them.

 

The point? If it is "to your ears" then it ultimately doesn't matter to anyone else but you and that's really fine and I have no objection to that unless you start using "the bully's definition" and argue that it is your view that is the right one just because your hearing tells you. I doubt you have the foundation to be able to do that.

 

Cheers!

Antun

 

 

Do me a favour, please go listen to the Soloist and GS-X and then come back and tell me the Bryston isn't treble tipped. Frank I (and a few others) also found the exact same thing when listening to the BHA-1. We share our thoughts here and whether you like it or not, they are just as VALID as yours. Sheesh. In the end, "to my ears" is where the rubber hits the road. rolleyes.gif And I strongly suggest some first hand experiences with other gear would be in order. Can measurements help, absolutely, BUT only when used in conjunction with first hand experiences. As I often tell my two kids, "we listen with our ears".

 

Then we can get into the design of the amp....wink.gif (spritzer had a great commentary on it...now I just need to find it).


Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/5/13 at 6:25am
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