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post #91 of 117
7/1/11 at 10:00pm
Right, so if that paper's authors are correct, there is a real and tangible benefit to 24/92 music (or 32bit floating for that matter). Because at 16/44.1, you are losing tons of data that the brain uses to decode the music. At 24/96, the aliasing and artifacts are pushed out past 48Khz, so you get more of the music the way it was meant to be heard. Of course, that's still not possible for acoustic guitars, whose sound waves are much more complex than 24/96, the rest ofthe music should be improved.
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post #92 of 117
7/1/11 at 10:04pm
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What would be your source for this 27khz IEM? blink.gif
 

 


And not only the source, but every component in the chain would need to be able to realize that range. A cable, dac, source or amp that can't give you 27Khz would make it so the IEM's never receive it. The J3A at least gives you the ability to reach 23Khz, and the JH16 or JH13 can be actively rolled of at 23Khz, you still won't realize a benefit if the source rolls off at 20Khz.
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post #93 of 117
7/1/11 at 10:21pm
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And not only the source, but every component in the chain would need to be able to realize that range. A cable, dac, source or amp that can't give you 27Khz would make it so the IEM's never receive it. The J3A at least gives you the ability to reach 23Khz, and the JH16 or JH13 can be actively rolled of at 23Khz, you still won't realize a benefit if the source rolls off at 20Khz.

Exactly.

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post #94 of 117
7/2/11 at 1:33am
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I chose the ES5's because they are the most neutral of the top-tier IEM's (from the reviews I have read). I don't want to be force-fed a bass hump for every single song I listen to. I want the option to ADD bass, on my terms. And the LARGE bass armature in the ES5 has no problem giving that to me, should i so choose. There are some more detailed reasons I chose the ES5 that revolve around the 8Hz crossover, sample rates and artifacts that get pushed below the audible level, but that would be for another forum I suspect.

But, my goal was to have every piece of my audio signal chain as neutral as possible, so that I could add or remove where I want, when I want. I think my current rig gets me close to that. If I can ever get 24/192 and a 128GB HDD in an iDevice, I'll be a happy camper.
 


 

Am I reading it correctly, when I say that the ES5's are CAPABLE of a large bass, but requires an amp with a bassy signature? Just to be perfectly clear on that.

 

 

I have more or less decided to cross off JH audio at this point, because of some horror stories in a number of threads about the customer service at the moment, and the amount of customs that are sent back for refits, as I'd really hate to send it back because shipping is flippin' expensive in Denmark. 

I know there's always that risk when buying customs, but I'd prefer minimizing it as much as possible. 

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post #95 of 117
7/2/11 at 7:48am
You don't want an amp with a bassy signature. You want an amp with a neutral signature. The best choice (to me) would be a neutral amp with a bass button. Fiio E7 on the cheap end, or the XM6 on the higher end. I prefer a neutral source, neutral cable, neutral amp, neutral DAC and neutral headPhones. If I need more bass, mids or highs, I will use an EQ from the source. I generally don't EQ in quiet environments, but sometimes need to in noisy environments.

Also, while I may not have chosen the JH16, the fact that they can be married to a DSP Amp and the frequency response set actively, versus passively, is a very real and tangible benefit. I hope you give that setup a good look and read the reviews before crossing them off your list.
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post #96 of 117
7/2/11 at 9:05am

While the specs aren't posted on the Spiral Ears site, Grzegorz says the SE 5-way Reference reproduces up to 26K (he told me this without me asking a while ago).  I have only tested up to 20KHz test tones where they are still going strong.  Maybe that is one of the reasons I think the SE 5-way is so good!

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post #97 of 117
7/2/11 at 9:10am
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While the specs aren't posted on the Spiral Ears site, Grzegorz says the SE 5-way Reference reproduces up to 26K (he told me this without me asking a while ago).  I have only tested up to 20KHz test tones where they are still going strong.  Maybe that is one of the reasons I think the SE 5-way is so good!


Information that really actually matters in a recording ends at about 16khz. I'm still abit confused on why any reproductions past 16khz is significant.

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post #98 of 117
7/2/11 at 9:19am
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@JSLAPPA: What I meant was, for it to be bassy, it would require an amp with a bassy signature, however, you have answered me with the EQ thing now, so never mind then :-)

Also, the JH3A, which I assume you're talking about, is out of my price range, mainly because I really do not want to run around with 1900$ worth of gear in my pocket. 1500$ is plenty, plenty :-)

 

I've got an eye on the SE 4-Way Reference, because I like the price a bit more than the 5-way, while still being an upgrade from the 3-Way (of course).

 

Then I'll still have money for an amp, which these babies require when an iPod is the source!

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post #99 of 117
7/2/11 at 9:27am
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@JSLAPPA: What I meant was, for it to be bassy, it would require an amp with a bassy signature, however, you have answered me with the EQ thing now, so never mind then :-)

Also, the JH3A, which I assume you're talking about, is out of my price range, mainly because I really do not want to run around with 1900$ worth of gear in my pocket. 1500$ is plenty, plenty :-)

 

I've got an eye on the SE 4-Way Reference, because I like the price a bit more than the 5-way, while still being an upgrade from the 3-Way (of course).

 

Then I'll still have money for an amp, which these babies require when an iPod is the source!

Not necessarily, An iPod can drive these very sensitive speakers just fine. You'd be getting a 10-15% increase in performance by getting an amplifier for these.
 

 

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post #100 of 117
7/2/11 at 9:32am
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I heard the universal version of the SE 3-Way and it needed an amp, no doubt about that. 

 

Just to get enough volume it needed more juice than my iPod had - way more than the Westone 3s.

 

Edited by DanielofDenmark - 7/2/11 at 9:34am
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post #101 of 117
7/2/11 at 10:40am
The JH3A setup sounds expensive until you realize its headphones, 24/96 Dac, and amp with active crossovers. Only need to add a source and you have a complete kit.
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post #102 of 117
7/3/11 at 4:50am
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Well, the JH3A is still too expensive for me - not economical (well that too,) but mainly principal. I do not wish to own the system, also because I can't use the amp with any other headphones unless JH decides to release another model.

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post #103 of 117
7/3/11 at 9:23am
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Well, the JH3A is still too expensive for me - not economical (well that too,) but mainly principal. I do not wish to own the system, also because I can't use the amp with any other headphones unless JH decides to release another model.



I think the idea with the JH3A is that you won't need another phone (IEM) though we all know that's impossible for a audiophile though///

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post #104 of 117
7/3/11 at 11:45pm

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I knew you'd point that out Tronz smily_headphones1.gif There have been new studies that suggest the high lever frequencies, while inaudible, are absolutely picked up by the brain, and effectively used in real-time to color the sound of the frequencies we DO hear. That's one reason some people feel like 24/92 files sound different than 16/44.1. Theoretically, the 44.1 cut in half is 22.05 Khz, so everything rolled off is of no value to what we hear, making anything higher rez a waste of HDD space. I just read a paper recently that could change that thinking.

Please read this paper with an open mind!

http://jn.physiology.org/content/83/6/3548.full

 

 

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Information that really actually matters in a recording ends at about 16khz. I'm still abit confused on why any reproductions past 16khz is significant.

 

 

If you check out the link provided from JSLAPPA, it explains that we are sensitive to high frequencies that we can't readily hear/perceive.  I have read this several times in the past.  

 

Instruments don't just recreate a simple tone at a particular frequency, they have harmonics and other tones.  Check out this forum for some cymbal frequency response charts showing a good amount of treble energy past 20KHz.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

I heard the universal version of the SE 3-Way and it needed an amp, no doubt about that. 

 

Just to get enough volume it needed more juice than my iPod had - way more than the Westone 3s.

 

My 5-way is actually not that hard to drive as all my sources seem to do fine with it, although some do it more justice than others.

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post #105 of 117
7/4/11 at 2:38am
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I think the idea with the JH3A is that you won't need another phone (IEM) though we all know that's impossible for a audiophile though///


No need for other headphones? Blasphemy! ;-)

 


 

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My 5-way is actually not that hard to drive as all my sources seem to do fine with it, although some do it more justice than others.


I just felt the 3-way was inadequately powered straight out of my iPod, compared to my Westone 3's.

 

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