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post #76 of 117
Both directions have been stated as fact when it's not. Let's just remember these are opinions and are thus open for (well toned) debate.
post #77 of 117
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This is an inaccurate statement when it comes to top-tier dynamics.
 

 


It actually is accurate because only a 1/3 amount of dynamics can compete with dedicated BA's in terms of bass quality.

 

post #78 of 117
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Excellent post JSLAPPA! Thank you very much for taking your time writing all that down - it definitely makes my decision harder though! :D

What made you choose the ES5s over the JH models?

 

Maxvla: I have been considering the different UM offerings, but the fact that it has both dynamic and balanced armature drivers kind of scares me, as I did not like the bass from my old IE8's one bit. Terrible, terrible IEM..

 

 



I chose the ES5's because they are the most neutral of the top-tier IEM's (from the reviews I have read). I don't want to be force-fed a bass hump for every single song I listen to. I want the option to ADD bass, on my terms. And the LARGE bass armature in the ES5 has no problem giving that to me, should i so choose. There are some more detailed reasons I chose the ES5 that revolve around the 8Hz crossover, sample rates and artifacts that get pushed below the audible level, but that would be for another forum I suspect.

But, my goal was to have every piece of my audio signal chain as neutral as possible, so that I could add or remove where I want, when I want. I think my current rig gets me close to that. If I can ever get 24/192 and a 128GB HDD in an iDevice, I'll be a happy camper.
post #79 of 117
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Originally Posted by JSLAPPA View Post




I chose the ES5's because they are the most neutral of the top-tier IEM's (from the reviews I have read). I don't want to be force-fed a bass hump for every single song I listen to. I want the option to ADD bass, on my terms. And the LARGE bass armature in the ES5 has no problem giving that to me, should i so choose. There are some more detailed reasons I chose the ES5 that revolve around the 8Hz crossover, sample rates and artifacts that get pushed below the audible level, but that would be for another forum I suspect.

But, my goal was to have every piece of my audio signal chain as neutral as possible, so that I could add or remove where I want, when I want. I think my current rig gets me close to that. If I can ever get 24/192 and a 128GB HDD in an iDevice, I'll be a happy camper.
 


Actually I think the UE Reference In-Ear Monitors are more neutral than the ES5's. The ES5's aren't ruler flat neutral to my ears they are just well balanced in the sense that they sound natural, not digital.

 

post #80 of 117
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It actually is accurate because only a 1/3 amount of dynamics can compete with dedicated BA's in terms of bass quality.

 



just putting it out there, I preferred my monster tubines to my 1964 ear quads

post #81 of 117
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just putting it out there, I preferred my monster tubines to my 1964 ear quads



That's great! beerchug.gif

post #82 of 117
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Actually I think the UE Reference In-Ear Monitors are more neutral than the ES5's. The ES5's aren't ruler flat neutral to my ears they are just well balanced in the sense that they sound natural, not digital.

 


You certainly may be right about that Tronz, I am not well-versed enough about the other IEM's to make that statement. When I finally decided to buy a pair of custom IEM's, I narrowed it down to the JH16, ES5 and the UE18 Pro. I felt that, based on what I had read, the ES5 was the more neutral of the three. I am happy enough with the ES5, that I will try not to upgrade them until another neutral monitor shows up that rolls off as low as the ES5 while going higher than 20Khz, to around 27Khz.
post #83 of 117
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Originally Posted by JSLAPPA View Post



You certainly may be right about that Tronz, I am not well-versed enough about the other IEM's to make that statement. When I finally decided to buy a pair of custom IEM's, I narrowed it down to the JH16, ES5 and the UE18 Pro. I felt that, based on what I had read, the ES5 was the more neutral of the three. I am happy enough with the ES5, that I will try not to upgrade them until another neutral monitor shows up that rolls off as low as the ES5 while going higher than 20Khz, to around 27Khz.


Lol, anything extended past 20khz or any lower than 8hz is completely unnecessary because we can only hear from 20hz to 20khz. tongue_smile.gif

 

post #84 of 117
The ES5 extends to 27k? Didn't know that. I'll put more effort into looking at those. One of the reasons I was interested in the JH3A w/ JH16s is the frequency extension in the treble was higher than most IEMs I had seen (22k-23k IIRC).
post #85 of 117
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Originally Posted by Tronz View Post




Lol, anything extended past 20khz or any lower than 8hz is completely unnecessary because we can only hear from 20hz to 20khz. tongue_smile.gif

 


You can't hear it, but it is perceivable.
post #86 of 117
I knew you'd point that out Tronz smily_headphones1.gif There have been new studies that suggest the high lever frequencies, while inaudible, are absolutely picked up by the brain, and effectively used in real-time to color the sound of the frequencies we DO hear. That's one reason some people feel like 24/92 files sound different than 16/44.1. Theoretically, the 44.1 cut in half is 22.05 Khz, so everything rolled off is of no value to what we hear, making anything higher rez a waste of HDD space. I just read a paper recently that could change that thinking.

Please read this paper with an open mind!

http://jn.physiology.org/content/83/6/3548.full
post #87 of 117
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The ES5 extends to 27k? Didn't know that. I'll put more effort into looking at those. One of the reasons I was interested in the JH3A w/ JH16s is the frequency extension in the treble was higher than most IEMs I had seen (22k-23k IIRC).

No, sorry if I confused you. ES5 is good for between 8Hz and 20Khz. I WANT an IEM that goes as high as 27Khz because of the linked paper I posted above.
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Interesting...

post #89 of 117
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Originally Posted by JSLAPPA View Post


No, sorry if I confused you. ES5 is good for between 8Hz and 20Khz. I WANT an IEM that goes as high as 27Khz because of the linked paper I posted above.

I see. That's too bad.

Here's the bit that got me interested in the JH3A/JH16, and while it has now been confirmed that it only can do 24/96 instead of 24/192, I would guess the extension is still accurate:
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Originally Posted by JHAudio 
JH16 Pro, perfectly tuned with the JH-3A Amplifier
10HZ to 23k Frequency Response (No, that's not a typo; 23k!)
post #90 of 117
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Originally Posted by JSLAPPA View Post



No, sorry if I confused you. ES5 is good for between 8Hz and 20Khz. I WANT an IEM that goes as high as 27Khz because of the linked paper I posted above.

What would be your source for this 27khz IEM? blink.gif
 

 

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