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post #61 of 117
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I assume you're compaing the ES5's to JH13's, right? 

post #62 of 117

Yup. I've heard the JH's at a demo table, and the Westone ES5's personally from a friend who happens to have more or less the same inner ear shape as me. (pretty lucky turnout).

 

I prefer the JH13 just because it's more of an "audiophile-friendly" neutral tone, but theres no denying the ES5's are livelier and more friendly towards various people's tone preferences. Thats really all I can say on the subject I'm far less well versed on describing audio as some of the people who hae already posted on this thread, especially JSLAPPA, he's got quite the ES5 setup!

post #63 of 117

For the one who is looking for a Westone ES5 for less money, check out this;

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/559736/fs-westone-es5-custom-iem-with-silicone-hybrid-shell

This one is for sale, €500,- and bought at Variphone.

 

post #64 of 117
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Excellent post JSLAPPA! Thank you very much for taking your time writing all that down - it definitely makes my decision harder though! :D

What made you choose the ES5s over the JH models?

 

Maxvla: I have been considering the different UM offerings, but the fact that it has both dynamic and balanced armature drivers kind of scares me, as I did not like the bass from my old IE8's one bit. Terrible, terrible IEM..

 

 


I can't comment on the IE8, but all the BA IEMs I've heard (which are $250 and under) have had not so great bass. There is no presence or weight to it, it just sounds weak. The dynamic IEMs I've heard (mostly $100 and under) have had very good bass, not amazing mostly because of the price, but the feel of the bass was there, albeit a bit sloppy. Even my cheapy MEElectronics M9s have nice full rich bass that makes me think a subwoofer was left on in my room. I don't get that same sensation of a subwoofer with my BA IEMs.
post #65 of 117
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I can't comment on the IE8, but all the BA IEMs I've heard (which are $250 and under) have had not so great bass. There is no presence or weight to it, it just sounds weak. The dynamic IEMs I've heard (mostly $100 and under) have had very good bass, not amazing mostly because of the price, but the feel of the bass was there, albeit a bit sloppy. Even my cheapy MEElectronics M9s have nice full rich bass that makes me think a subwoofer was left on in my room. I don't get that same sensation of a subwoofer with my BA IEMs.

The Westone 3 would make you think otherwise. basshead.gif
 

 

post #66 of 117
I haven't listened to many since I picked up my 262s and decided not to buy anything until I pick out my customs at RMAF, just so I don't waste money doing the round and round with universals. I'm surely expecting high end BA bass to sound amazing, I just haven't heard it yet.
post #67 of 117

I've seen a picture of the ES5's sub woofer somewhere before in comparison to the mid-range and tweeter satellites and the sub woofer is massive. I'll look for the picture.

 

EDIT: I couldn't find it so I edited one on my own. This is the ES5 Engadget used in their ES5 review. I outlined the sub woofer from the left earpiece to give you a better view of it's size.

 

ES5 subwoofer.png


Edited by Tronz - 6/30/11 at 8:23pm
post #68 of 117
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Originally Posted by Mopshond View Post

For the one who is looking for a Westone ES5 for less money, check out this;

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/559736/fs-westone-es5-custom-iem-with-silicone-hybrid-shell

This one is for sale, €500,- and bought at Variphone.

 


I PMed that person several times before she bought.  Her decision was strongly influenced by location but was not happy with her purchase and I did ask her to post here with more info.

 

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I can't comment on the IE8, but all the BA IEMs I've heard (which are $250 and under) have had not so great bass. There is no presence or weight to it, it just sounds weak. The dynamic IEMs I've heard (mostly $100 and under) have had very good bass, not amazing mostly because of the price, but the feel of the bass was there, albeit a bit sloppy. Even my cheapy MEElectronics M9s have nice full rich bass that makes me think a subwoofer was left on in my room. I don't get that same sensation of a subwoofer with my BA IEMs.


Higher end custom IEMs have very good bass rumble and impact.  The SE 5-way has the best bass I have heard due to the combination rumble, punch, weight, and control.  The bass makes all the dynamic driver IEMs sound at least a little sloppy/slow/bloated.  Now, the bass is more balanced and not extremely enhanced like M9 or Hippo VB but IMO can really deliver amazing sub-bass.

 

The only universal IEM with BA drivers that I feel delivers adequate bass is the SM3.  The W3 doesn't compare IMO in deep bass with power, weight, and impact.  Of course, there is the TS842 and the Merlin.

post #69 of 117
Thanks for the info, both of you.

I guess I should have expected customs to have more room to work with to get great bass while not sacrificing anything anywhere else. Luckily I'll be able to get a demo Merlin sent to me to take to RMAF where I'll demo everything else (JH/UE/Westone/etc) side by side.
post #70 of 117
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That ES5 is VERY cheap - holy crap. I wish I had the money right now, really. I think 1964 would be able to reshell it with a vinyl tip as well. 

 

To me, the Westone 3's have excellent bass that surpasses the quality of the IE8's by a long shot. I had a short listening session with the IE8s the other day, and it was not a pleasant experience.

 

@Average_joe: I have not heard the SM3's, but they do seem nice. I guess I need to consider the EM3 Pro's as well now!

 

 

 

post #71 of 117
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That ES5 is VERY cheap - holy crap. I wish I had the money right now, really. I think 1964 would be able to reshell it with a vinyl tip as well. 

 

To me, the Westone 3's have excellent bass that surpasses the quality of the IE8's by a long shot. I had a short listening session with the IE8s the other day, and it was not a pleasant experience.

 

@Average_joe: I have not heard the SM3's, but they do seem nice. I guess I need to consider the EM3 Pro's as well now!

 

 

 


Dedicated balanced armature sub woofers usually always top out dynamic drivers in terms of bass clarity and accuracy while the dynamic drivers have more presence ( which is not necessarily a good thing ). High-end custom IEM's typically used dedicated balanced armature sub woofers and the bass quantity is usually the last complaint if there is a complaint on the IEM.

 


Edited by Tronz - 7/1/11 at 7:32am
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Dedicated balanced armature sub woofers usually always top out dynamic drivers in terms of bass clarity and accuracy while the dynamic drivers have more presence ( which is not necessarily a good thing ). High-end custom IEM's typically used dedicated balanced armature sub woofers and the bass quantity is usually the last complaint if there is a complaint on the IEM.

 


I find this very untrue... I would say that my MDT beat out my Q-jays and TF10's in accuracy and clarity, as well as having quantity that far surpasses the aforementioned. 

 

post #73 of 117
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I find this very untrue... I would say that my MDT beat out my Q-jays and TF10's in accuracy and clarity, as well as having quantity that far surpasses the aforementioned. 

 


You forgot to bold the " usually ". As in not all the time but most of the time.

 

post #74 of 117
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You forgot to bold the " usually ". As in not all the time but most of the time.

 


 

What IEMs have you heard that are you basing this opinion on, though? How many high end dynamics? Have you heard the EX1000s? The Atrios? And I can only assume you've not heard a single dynamic custom, demo or otherwise.

 

The common complaint regarding dynamics and bass appears to be speed, not accuracy and clarity. And in the higher end dynamic IEMs the speed issue is, in my opinion, largely resolved. I hate bloat and muddiness as much as the next guy, and that's simply not what you're going to find in a quality dynamic IEM.

post #75 of 117
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Dedicated balanced armature sub woofers usually always top out dynamic drivers in terms of bass clarity and accuracy

This is an inaccurate statement when it comes to top-tier dynamics.
 

 

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