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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

Tronz, I hate to say this, but we will never be friends. Not because you don't seem like a nice guy, but you're luring me into things! I think I have to contact Variphone to get some details on the ES5's, including price.

 

With regards to comfort, I can't imagine acrylic customs are uncomfortable, but probably not as comfortable as vinyl or silicone. However, my uses will stretch towards 5+ hours at a time. Sometimes more, sometimes less, of course, so comfort definitely is a priority, but also the main reason I want to go custom. 

 

What's the build quality like on Westone customs? Are there bubbles or anything like that? It seems like it's hard to avoid, but it's just another thing to take into account.

The built quality is top notch. No bubbles anywhere that I can see and the shell is buttery smooth with no manufacturing scratches or dimples. The cables are amazing as well. I thought they weren't going to last past 3 months because they look flimsy, but once you hold it and pull and tug in areas you thought were weak, you'd come to realize that these things could be used as a bicycle chain. They are also very comfortable because of their light weight. Also, when I go running, the cable doesn't channel that annoying " thud " noise when it bangs on my chest into the music.
 

 


Edited by Tronz - 6/29/11 at 9:12am
post #47 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

Tronz, I hate to say this, but we will never be friends. Not because you don't seem like a nice guy, but you're luring me into things! I think I have to contact Variphone to get some details on the ES5's, including price.

 

With regards to comfort, I can't imagine acrylic customs are uncomfortable, but probably not as comfortable as vinyl or silicone. However, my uses will stretch towards 5+ hours at a time. Sometimes more, sometimes less, of course, so comfort definitely is a priority, but also the main reason I want to go custom. 

 

What's the build quality like on Westone customs? Are there bubbles or anything like that? It seems like it's hard to avoid, but it's just another thing to take into account.


Hey Daniel

I'm going through exactly the same as you and am pulled towards the ES5s more than the othes, but be aware that Variphone charge a fortune for them. I'm looking at buying them from the USA which is much cheaper!

Good luck!

David
post #48 of 117
Thread Starter 

What does Variphone charge for the ES5's? They seem quite hard to purchase from the US.

post #49 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

What does Variphone charge for the ES5's? They seem quite hard to purchase from the US.



You can buy the Westone ES5's straight from Westone themselves in the US. They are located in Colorado.

post #50 of 117
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Originally Posted by Tronz View Post





You can buy the Westone ES5's straight from Westone themselves in the US. They are located in Colorado.


you can't if you're outside the US
post #51 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

What does Variphone charge for the ES5's? They seem quite hard to purchase from the US.


I emailed them last week and they're charging 850euro not including VAT or shipping. I'm looking at ordering through earplugstore.com, which are charging 900usd and 50 shipping
post #52 of 117
Thread Starter 

That is expensive - however the EarPlugsstore is cheap! Well, cheap-ish!

post #53 of 117

That doesn't include customs coming into the country, but it is still waayyyy cheaper than Variphone!  Not sure if Variphone just ship out to the US anyway, if not, I doubt at these prices they will have the expertise that Westone US clearly have.
 

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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

That is expensive - however the EarPlugsstore is cheap! Well, cheap-ish!



 

post #54 of 117
Thread Starter 

I know VAT is a risk and all, but it won't really matter, because it will probably still be cheaper, so yeah.

 

I am still looking through reviews and stuff - input still very welcome!

post #55 of 117
I'd like to put my 2 cents in here too. While it's true that the ES5 have a very neutral frequency curve, they most certainly are NOT bass-light. Consider this:

I am 38 years old, and have been into car stereo equipment since I was 16 ears old. I use to run 4, 6 even 8 12" subs in my cars. I would dump $15k into my car stereo kit, then run it around North Carolina to all the shows and contests. I could hit 160 db, and more, if I wanted to stand outside my car. Rediculous sound pressure levels, to be sure. But as time went on, I began to pay more attention to crystal clear sound. Still, no matter the genre of music that tickled my fancy, I always needed some thump at the bottom end. Most car stereo nuts know that a sealed box takes more power to hit the same db's, but the bass is more controlled with less roll-off. Add a port and the bass begins to boom at the 65hz mark or so, depending on the length, diameter and positioning of the port, and whether it's a 5th order band-pass enclosure or whatever. Now, my favorite setup requires that the subs are mounted in a non-traditional way, so that the laws surrounding dynamic drivers cease to exist. In this instance, I had 2 subs mounted in an isobarik config, where two subs are mounted facing eachother, only separated by the 2-inch thick plexiglas wall. So that one set of subs was in the box and one set was outside the box. By wiring one speaker of each set out of phase, you get a push-pull effect, that dramatically allows you to "feel" those frequencies under 20Hz.

My point to all that, is that the armatures inside these IEM's (ES5, JH16, JH13, et al..) mimic that isobark "push-pull" setup almost exactly. I am a bass lover, and these ES5 I own are great for bass. But not just trunk rattling bass, where the license plate is vibrating all over hell. Nice, tight, deep, viceral bass that exends all the way down to 8 Hz (provided you turn up the volume).

Still, to this day, I run 2 JL 12's in a custom enclosure between the bucket seats of my Dodge Ram Quad Cab, each pushed by a JL 500/1. Then I have another 500/1 pushing 2 10's in a custom enclosure under the rear seats that are wired for strictly Mid bass thump. I run a 4 channel amp to the Eclipse speakers in front and in rear for fill, and when the wife and kids aren't in the truck, I like to turn it up, ya dig? Sometimes I'm cranking Journey (haters!), other times I have some Russian concertos going. But I like bass, and the ES5's give me all the bass I want. I am also not afraid to EQ (again, haters!) and I can effectively make the ES5 sound how I want, depending on the recording and it's deficiencies.

For any system, headphones, speakers I buy or try, I use a CD that separates the frequencies and gives you the opportunity to hear when a Frequency response drops off. Get yourself the Sheffield A2TB Test Disc. You'll be able to run pink noise, low disortion sweeps, and even listen to individual frequencies from 10 Hz up to 99Hz, which is extremely useful in coroborating Westone's claims of 8Hz. I can at least verify they go down to 10Hz!. You'll be able to check in and out of phase alignment, etc. A great test CD to have at your disposal.

I can't say anything bad about any other IEM's, because I have never tried any. But my need for bass, and what the ES5's provide, do not leave me wishing I could have tried the JH16 instead. I am quite content with the ES5's (and my big copper cables Tronz smily_headphones1.gif )
post #56 of 117
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Originally Posted by JSLAPPA View Post

I'd like to put my 2 cents in here too. While it's true that the ES5 have a very neutral frequency curve, they most certainly are NOT bass-light. Consider this:

I am 38 years old, and have been into car stereo equipment since I was 16 ears old. I use to run 4, 6 even 8 12" subs in my cars. I would dump $15k into my car stereo kit, then run it around North Carolina to all the shows and contests. I could hit 160 db, and more, if I wanted to stand outside my car. Rediculous sound pressure levels, to be sure. But as time went on, I began to pay more attention to crystal clear sound. Still, no matter the genre of music that tickled my fancy, I always needed some thump at the bottom end. Most car stereo nuts know that a sealed box takes more power to hit the same db's, but the bass is more controlled with less roll-off. Add a port and the bass begins to boom at the 65hz mark or so, depending on the length, diameter and positioning of the port, and whether it's a 5th order band-pass enclosure or whatever. Now, my favorite setup requires that the subs are mounted in a non-traditional way, so that the laws surrounding dynamic drivers cease to exist. In this instance, I had 2 subs mounted in an isobarik config, where two subs are mounted facing eachother, only separated by the 2-inch thick plexiglas wall. So that one set of subs was in the box and one set was outside the box. By wiring one speaker of each set out of phase, you get a push-pull effect, that dramatically allows you to "feel" those frequencies under 20Hz.

My point to all that, is that the armatures inside these IEM's (ES5, JH16, JH13, et al..) mimic that isobark "push-pull" setup almost exactly. I am a bass lover, and these ES5 I own are great for bass. But not just trunk rattling bass, where the license plate is vibrating all over hell. Nice, tight, deep, viceral bass that exends all the way down to 8 Hz (provided you turn up the volume).

Still, to this day, I run 2 JL 12's in a custom enclosure between the bucket seats of my Dodge Ram Quad Cab, each pushed by a JL 500/1. Then I have another 500/1 pushing 2 10's in a custom enclosure under the rear seats that are wired for strictly Mid bass thump. I run a 4 channel amp to the Eclipse speakers in front and in rear for fill, and when the wife and kids aren't in the truck, I like to turn it up, ya dig? Sometimes I'm cranking Journey (haters!), other times I have some Russian concertos going. But I like bass, and the ES5's give me all the bass I want. I am also not afraid to EQ (again, haters!) and I can effectively make the ES5 sound how I want, depending on the recording and it's deficiencies.

For any system, headphones, speakers I buy or try, I use a CD that separates the frequencies and gives you the opportunity to hear when a Frequency response drops off. Get yourself the Sheffield A2TB Test Disc. You'll be able to run pink noise, low disortion sweeps, and even listen to individual frequencies from 10 Hz up to 99Hz, which is extremely useful in coroborating Westone's claims of 8Hz. I can at least verify they go down to 10Hz!. You'll be able to check in and out of phase alignment, etc. A great test CD to have at your disposal.

I can't say anything bad about any other IEM's, because I have never tried any. But my need for bass, and what the ES5's provide, do not leave me wishing I could have tried the JH16 instead. I am quite content with the ES5's (and my big copper cables Tronz smily_headphones1.gif )

Nice write up. L3000.gif

 

I just ran a 10hz to 150hz sine wave sweep that progressed by 10hz at a time and surprisingly I heard the 10hz tone even though the DAC in my HM-801, iPod, and laptop are not capable of going below 20hz according to the specs ( weird ). From 20hz to 150hz the volume intensity remain relatively the same meaning the ES5's are balanced in their bass response.
 

 


Edited by Tronz - 6/29/11 at 8:37pm
post #57 of 117
I'm in a similar situation looking for customs. One IEM you should have on your radar that you don't is the Unique Melody Merlin with it's hybrid BA and Dynamic drivers. It's fairly cheap (comparatively), but is getting very good reviews. Should be nicely balanced, but with a slight bit more emphasis on bass. People are commenting that the Merlin is the JH16 to the Miracle being JH13.
post #58 of 117
Thread Starter 

Excellent post JSLAPPA! Thank you very much for taking your time writing all that down - it definitely makes my decision harder though! :D

What made you choose the ES5s over the JH models?

 

Maxvla: I have been considering the different UM offerings, but the fact that it has both dynamic and balanced armature drivers kind of scares me, as I did not like the bass from my old IE8's one bit. Terrible, terrible IEM..

 

 

post #59 of 117
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Originally Posted by JxK View Post




To me, timbre is better defined by all the various qualities of sound excluding frequency response. It allows you to differentiate different instruments. So for instance, if you have a violin and a cello play the exact same note, you'd be able to tell the two apart. Moreover, if timbre is good  you'd be able to hear said instrument by itself and immediately identify it without comparison. IEMs and headphones handle timbre to varying degrees of proficiency, though at the pricepoints top tier customs sell for, I'd hope they get it very close.

 

Off topic, but timbre is one of the two headphone attributes which I think are too often ignored around here. The other is a headphone's ability to portray dynamic range.

 


Yup.
 

 

post #60 of 117

The ES5's sound a bit livelier. Both IEM's have their own support threads, a lot of people who aren't used to the neutrality of the JH13's often believe it's due to a misfit or something, the ES5 people like to talk about cables and amps these days haha. 

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