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post #31 of 117
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I'm pretty sure the MG6 has more bass quantity than the ES5's but in terms of bass quality I doubt it competes with the ES5.



There's only way one to resolve this: one of us has to buy the customs we don't have.

 

Rock paper scissors to see who it is? biggrin.gif

post #32 of 117
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I would love to hear the JH16 Pro. I'm pretty sure I would be amazed by its's powerful bass presentation. Nice summary of the JH16's. I'm not sure if you've read the review of the Westone ES5's by TechPowerUp, but they compared the JH16 to the ES5. Here's what they said in terms of bass presentation:

 

" Even though the ES5s only have one bass driver they are far from bass light. In comparison to the Westone 4s they have around the same amount, but the ES5s have the upper hand when it comes to low end extension and control. The bass is equally dominant in terms of volume, but the better definition of the ES5s makes you notice it more especially on tracks with an intricate bass line. Compared to the JH16|PROs the ES5s bass is less powerful and does not have quite the same slam. Bass quality wise it is a toss-up between the two, the Jerry Harvey Audio in-ears have slightly more thump, but definition wise the ES5 wins. "

 

So basically, if bass quantity is your main priority go for the JH16 Pro. If bass quality is your main priority go for the Westone ES5.

 

 


 

 


I think the reviewer actually said that bass quality was a "toss-up between the two", not that the 16s had lower quality but more quantity.

I can only opine on the 16s, which I own. I agree with another poster who stated that the bass is there when needed and recedes when it's not needed. I can't say the 16s are "better" because I don't own the ES5. But I can state, without qualification, that the 16s are spectacular.

Whether any given IEM, or any other product is "best" is a subjective matter and everyone has their own opinion. Some recognize their opinion is just their opinion and others think there's something wrong with anyone who disagrees with them.

One top line IEM is enough for me, whereas I own many full-sized headphones because everyone of them has different strengths and weaknesses. The same must also be true of IEMs. If you want to experience the different flavors of a multitude of different IEMs, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

For my money, though, no IEM, not even the 16, comes close to the sound or experience of full-sized headphones just as speakers also are a different sound and experience. Put your money where is will make you happiest. My choice for the one IEM that I own was the 16 but you can't really go wrong with any of the top line models, I'm sure.
post #33 of 117

W4 bass might be great and accurate and detailed and blah, blah.....but relative to ALL other multi-driver IEM's it is lite. 

post #34 of 117

Not sure if you wanna wear $1000+ iem on a run. Personally i don't really  embrace the idea of having the IEM used in home, since frankly i don't think they made to do that. If you gonna use them mainly at home or office, maybe you should just consider a nice closed can. For IEM used while on the go, I think the build quality always comes first , since you won't be able notice the difference SQ -wise that obvious.  

 

Just my 2 cents, since I've quit the obsession over the IEMs

post #35 of 117
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

W4 bass might be great and accurate and detailed and blah, blah.....but relative to ALL other multi-driver IEM's it is lite. 

Which means, according to the reviewer, the ES5's must be bass-light, is that understood correctly?
 

 



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Not sure if you wanna wear $1000+ iem on a run. Personally i don't really  embrace the idea of having the IEM used in home, since frankly i don't think they made to do that. If you gonna use them mainly at home or office, maybe you should just consider a nice closed can. For IEM used while on the go, I think the build quality always comes first , since you won't be able notice the difference SQ -wise that obvious.  

 

Just my 2 cents, since I've quit the obsession over the IEMs

I need them for school, work and at home. My job isn't exactly office work, but it's quite hard to describe. All I can say is, it gets loud, and I move around a lot, so not even Comply's and Westone 3 keep a consistent seal. I'm not really that worried about carrying IEMs of that price range around, and don't worry about the running part - I'm the laziest mofo you'll ever meet ;-)
 

 

The following one I will comment on part by part with bold letters.

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I think the reviewer actually said that bass quality was a "toss-up between the two", not that the 16s had lower quality but more quantity.

I can only opine on the 16s, which I own. I agree with another poster who stated that the bass is there when needed and recedes when it's not needed. I can't say the 16s are "better" because I don't own the ES5. But I can state, without qualification, that the 16s are spectacular.

Whether any given IEM, or any other product is "best" is a subjective matter and everyone has their own opinion. Some recognize their opinion is just their opinion and others think there's something wrong with anyone who disagrees with them.
Indeed, this is the case, and I am well aware that there's no universal "best" solution - only a personal best. Take the HD800's - I hate them, but some find them to be the best in the world.

One top line IEM is enough for me, whereas I own many full-sized headphones because everyone of them has different strengths and weaknesses. The same must also be true of IEMs. If you want to experience the different flavors of a multitude of different IEMs, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

For my money, though, no IEM, not even the 16, comes close to the sound or experience of full-sized headphones just as speakers also are a different sound and experience. Put your money where is will make you happiest. My choice for the one IEM that I own was the 16 but you can't really go wrong with any of the top line models, I'm sure.
With my lifestyle at the moment, and the way my room is designed, IEMs are all I use. I have HiFiMAN HE-4 and EF5, and I can totally follow the better feeling of experiencing those compared to the Westone's, but as it is now, IEM's are just more convenient.


 

 



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You described the Westone ES5 once again.

Wow - this is getting awkward. How is the bass impact of the ES5's?

post #36 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post
 

. . . I am well aware that there's no universal "best" solution - only a personal best. Take the HD800's - I hate them, but some find them to be the best in the world.

 

With my lifestyle at the moment, and the way my room is designed, IEMs are all I use. I have HiFiMAN HE-4 and EF5, and I can totally follow the better feeling of experiencing those compared to the Westone's, but as it is now, IEM's are just more convenient.


It seems like we agree although I'm surprised by the number of other people who don't respect differences of opinion.  It seems to me that many people take differences of opinion personally and it's refreshing to see someone who doesn't.  I know what you mean about the HD800.  I have them and they're one of my personal favorites.  However, I think that they're the kind of headphone that is either love it or hate it.

 

Regarding the second point, if I expected my "lifestyle at the moment" to change in the future, I might consider not putting too much money into too many IEMs.  But that's just me.  You might enjoy them so much, it might never matter that one day you could be purchasing $100,000+ speakers.  With the high quality of the stuff you're buying, it really isn't going to matter in the long run.

post #37 of 117
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Originally Posted by ricmiclaw View Post

 

 

. . . I am well aware that there's no universal "best" solution - only a personal best. Take the HD800's - I hate them, but some find them to be the best in the world.

 

With my lifestyle at the moment, and the way my room is designed, IEMs are all I use. I have HiFiMAN HE-4 and EF5, and I can totally follow the better feeling of experiencing those compared to the Westone's, but as it is now, IEM's are just more convenient.


It seems like we agree although I'm surprised by the number of other people who don't respect differences of opinion.  It seems to me that many people take differences of opinion personally and it's refreshing to see someone who doesn't.  I know what you mean about the HD800.  I have them and they're one of my personal favorites.  However, I think that they're the kind of headphone that is either love it or hate it.

 

Regarding the second point, if I expected my "lifestyle at the moment" to change in the future, I might consider not putting too much money into too many IEMs.  But that's just me.  You might enjoy them so much, it might never matter that one day you could be purchasing $100,000+ speakers.  With the high quality of the stuff you're buying, it really isn't going to matter in the long run.

 


 


Regarding the HD800, I did hear it on some acoustic music which sounded fantastic and very present, but it wasn't my type of music at all, so I can easily see why someone can love it.

 

I guess I could go for a nice closed can, but I can't really think of any in that price range that are somewhat portable.

 

For at least the next two years, my lifestyle probably won't change unless something unpredictable happens but we can't really take that into account.


 

 

post #38 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post


Wow - this is getting awkward. How is the bass impact of the ES5's


The bass impact in my opinion is very tight, clean and hard-hitting when necessary. The bass in general on the ES5 and the lower midrange is slightly more emphasized over the upper midrange and treble ( 2 - 3db ) but this creates a natural and smooth sound not a digital and analytical sound. The head designer of the ES5's really did an amazing job with the tuning of the ES5, like said before, the ES5's presents the music as if you were there instead of letting you critically listen to the recording from a source.


Edited by Tronz - 6/28/11 at 6:29pm
post #39 of 117
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The ES5's are getting more and more interesting.

post #40 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

The ES5's are getting more and more interesting.


Everybody seems to have their opinion as to the best IEM.  But one thing is absolutely certain.  You will save money getting the Westone versus JH.  You really can't go wrong either way.  

 

post #41 of 117

One thing is certain in my opinion...if you think either the JH16 or ES5 will be it for you, they probably will be.  I am sure there are others out there (SE 5-way or even the 3-way, LS8, and SA-43) that are just as good but with different strengths, but at that level each will more than likely will be a strong performer so enjoy.

post #42 of 117

I've been blown away by my Unique Melody Miracles.  They are my favorite headphones now bar none ...  Check my sig for some of my others.  Basically, they don't do anything wrong at all to my ears.  Everything else I own has something that doesn't work.  I personally love the bass on the Miracles, and they respond quite well to hardware eq if you need more .  (Better than any other phone that I have)  Apparently the Merlins have a lot of the same, plus more bass (although less isolation) 

 

 

post #43 of 117
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About IEM's like the Rooth and Thousand Sounds, I'm having difficulties finding out where to buy them and stuff, which is why I'm not considering them as hard as the other, more easily available customs. 

 

 

The funny thing is, in the beginning, the ES5's were sort of a joker for me. I actually thought they would be basslight and even downright boring, and now I'm considering it badly. I mainly considered it because of the price and the fact it was made by Westone. 

 

The Spiral Ears are still very much interesting, and so is the JH16, not to mention the UM models. Well basically anything at this point, other than UE. 

post #44 of 117
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Originally Posted by DanielofDenmark View Post

About IEM's like the Rooth and Thousand Sounds, I'm having difficulties finding out where to buy them and stuff, which is why I'm not considering them as hard as the other, more easily available customs. 

 

 

The funny thing is, in the beginning, the ES5's were sort of a joker for me. I actually thought they would be basslight and even downright boring, and now I'm considering it badly. I mainly considered it because of the price and the fact it was made by Westone. 

 

The Spiral Ears are still very much interesting, and so is the JH16, not to mention the UM models. Well basically anything at this point, other than UE. 

I got the ES5 over the JH Audio JH13 Pro or JH16 Pro mainly because of the soft vinyl tips. I wanted a very comfortable custom IEM because I would be having them in my ears for atleast 4 hours per usage. I was a bit worried about them being bass light as well until the day they arrived and I put them in my ears and hit play. I never danced along with the music like that before. I never knew headphones let alone earphones could get you up and moving to the music. I thought it was only really capable with speakers or live at a concert. But, the ES5's literally transported me out of my living room and into the music. It was amazing and luckily till this day that effect hasn't worn off.
 

 

post #45 of 117
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Tronz, I hate to say this, but we will never be friends. Not because you don't seem like a nice guy, but you're luring me into things! I think I have to contact Variphone to get some details on the ES5's, including price.

 

With regards to comfort, I can't imagine acrylic customs are uncomfortable, but probably not as comfortable as vinyl or silicone. However, my uses will stretch towards 5+ hours at a time. Sometimes more, sometimes less, of course, so comfort definitely is a priority, but also the main reason I want to go custom. 

 

What's the build quality like on Westone customs? Are there bubbles or anything like that? It seems like it's hard to avoid, but it's just another thing to take into account.

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