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Dynamic drivers and ? two different types of bass!?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

I really didn't know how to title this post with out making it sound like it wasn't equipment related even though technically it kind of is but it really is about bass and i didn't think i would get a good response out of that section.

  So i have owned m50's and have heard Dr. Beats.(the sound isolating ones $300.)  I did like the thumping of the bass on the m50's but i found something quite awesome about the way the Beats presented the bass.  The beats seamed to focus on the mids and the highs with their driver and then placed the bass quite far back in depth so that it didn't counter react the mids and highs.  This was very appealing to me.  It was as if they put a dedicated subwoofer in the headphones.  Just music, music, music and then a subwoofer attached to your head( i am not saying that i like or think that that the music reproduction was good because it wasn't i just like the way it was presented) Is this acheived because of a more open soundstage or is it something specifically designed for the Beats series because honestly i think it's quite brilliant what they did and make it present the type of music most mp3's are in a more natural kind of way.  Any other headphones that have this Recessed subwoofer like imaging?

 


Edited by NewMACAdress - 6/22/11 at 9:49am
post #2 of 10

This thread really belongs in the headphone section. 

 

If you like the beats just rock out. I have to disagree with liking the beats, but who cares what a bunch of people on the internet think if your enjoying yourself and not putting yourself in a dangerous situation?

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I don't like the Beats.  I like the way they went about presenting the music and was curious if this is because of a specific design that only they do, or if any dynamic driver can do this that has greater depth than my m50.  The sound signature sounds really digital instead of organic but which i would like on a lot of my songs and some not so much.  The bass sounds like a cheap paper coned subwoofer that you could buy in the 80's for $1.  Distortion, brittle and flabby.

  Also it i don't think it belongs in the headphone section because i am asking about presentation of sound. Just because i used certain headphones as a reference doesn't mean that i have to put it under the equipment section.

 

 


Edited by NewMACAdress - 6/22/11 at 10:27am
post #4 of 10

I thought you were looking for other headphones that did the same thing. 

post #5 of 10

You could try playing around with an EQ to find out what might cause the effect you're talking of.

 

Could be the steep roll-off of the beats (does anyone know if there's some kind of additional processing going on inside the beats?), see graph.


Edited by xnor - 6/22/11 at 12:09pm
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

yes i would like to know of any other headphones that can recreate this affect but i would like to understand what it is that is doing it.  That way if lets say it is something that i can look at on a graph like xnor has mentioned then i could look for other headphones via graph that would pronounce the far depth subwoofer like the beats but be able to find one with less distortion, more balanced sound a more full sound like what the square wave graphs would suggest.

Thank you XNOR.  If any audiophile has heard what i am talking about then please fill me in.  Thanks

 

post #7 of 10

I know what your talking about, problem is, the only time I hear this is with speakers. Perhaps a pair of dual driver IEMs might do the trick? You could start cheap with a pair of apple in ear headphones and go from there.

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 

Not a bad idea!.... thanks.  I actually send a private message to a member on here who had experience with the he-500 and the la7000.  I asked if there was any difference in the way that the two different types of headphones presented their bass because i was looking to definitely get the bass that could rattle your head lol.  In one of the descriptions he commented on that the la7000 and the he-500 had about the same quality and "BLOOM"  and that the lcd-2 seemed more refined and just better.  I tried to visualize what he meant by bloom and it instantly hit me to think that if a headphone DIDN'T have bloom then what would it be.  That made me think.  While using the Beats that i did i actually got a lot of imaging.  It was like their was three different layers; next to your ears was the vocals then a layer behind that of the instruments with a noticeable and quite quiet gap, and then the 3rd layer was a bit of bass.  If that bass had been more extended or bloomed out it would extend out past the other layers much like my m50 did only their were no layers on that lol or soundstage.  So if i have made a correct evaluation i guess i would be looking for a headphone that did not have a very bloomy bass but more of a controlled and refined bass that could hit hard.

 I could be very wrong and maybe they found a way to control the sound the way they did differently.  Either way, now that i think about it in that perspective i am not sure i would very much want a bloomy headphone unless they could VERY accurately keep the bass extension away from the more forward mids and highs

 

post #9 of 10

You might be more interested in a pair of headphones with a really good soundstage, or just plain speakers then. 

post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 

I have a decent home theater and yes i want good soundstage but one that has good imaging as well.  I know that i'm not as big of a fan of speakers as i am of headphones.  Not to mention the need to keep my music to myself while my baby is sleeping or when i want to go and enjoy the morning sunrise and morning dew first thing in the morning while having my cup of tea.

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