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They do need quite some time to settle in, the mids will get softer and bass will get more prominent..I streched them out a night or two, which made the clamp more acceptable, and my head is pretty big ..

 

They do small settings jazz very good as well :rolleyes:

I will give them at least a month of time since I should be getting a new amp I want to try them with by then.  I really want to like them and keep them.  Their main competition for space in my collection are the T50RPs and Senn Momentums.  Neither are as good with classical, but both do a good job with everything else are are more comfortable (at the moment).  Trying to get down to just 3 sets (HD800, closed all-rounder, IEM).

The clamping does not bother me.  I agree about the bass, there's no mid-bass hump like in my Grado, but there is a bit of deep bass the Grado doesn't have, as in, orchestral bass drum whacks, think the complete Prokofiev symphonys with Gergiev.

post #167 of 232
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I don't believe that I have heard the K550 so I can't comment on this, but I think based on what I've read that they are in a similar class though different sounding.

 

What do you think of T1's for classical?

post #168 of 232

I just had to share one of those audio Nirvana moments.

 

Since I only listen to classical, after reading this thread I picked up a pair of DT 660's.

 

One of my two portable listening setups is the ALO Rx-Mk3-B+ amp, fed FLAC files from a HiFiMan HM-602 DAP.  This combo sounded quite good with the 660's, very detailed, decent soundstaging and overall good choice for classical.  I gave it 8.5/10 on my personal evaluation system.

 

Then earlier this week I received an iBasso DX50.  So . . . I replaced the HM-602 with the DX50 - still using the RX-Mk3-B+ and the 660's.

 

Oh boy, this could very well be my endgame portable classical music listening system. All instruments sounded so precise and perfectly placed (medium-wide soundstage); the bass seemed just right - it was there only when it was supposed to be there (and strong when it was supposed to be strong).  The mids and highs had a beautiful musicality, yet sounded  totally accurate.  I was listening to Elgar's 1st symphony and ALL of the instruments sounded just right. It felt like sitting in row 12 in a big hall.  Anyway, I could go on rhapsodizing, but suffice it to say that the synergy with this setup is high.

 

I rated it a perfect 10/10, and I've only had that happen 2 other times - with HD800's + tube amp + Amperex pinched waist and Siemens CCa tubes.

 

By the way, the DX50 firmware is atrocious - uber-buggy, you can't have apostrophes in your filename (try copying a French Baroque album and renaming everything; what a treat), crashes a lot, doesn't read all the files, etc., etc, etc.  Anyway, the sound quality is great for classical and hopefully iBasso will eventually fix the firmware.

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I got myself a pair of DT660 out of curiosity. Sadly, there is no auditioning for this headphone in my place.

 

This is my third closed back headphone. The other two are ATH-M50 and K550. Comfort-wise, I am a bit scared initially because I hear some say DT660 is uncomfortable. I would agree that the grip on the head was firm but loosened after a week. Comfort is not great but acceptable, probably better than M50 in my opinion.

 

Its sound is, as other say, natural and flat, to the extent that I would say it is boring. Bass is punchy but not boomy. Soundstage is way better than M50, and comparable to my open back headphones. Compared with K550, DT660 sounds warmer to me, or it may be because K550 is a bit on the bright side. But K550 is more engaging and interesting. DT660 on the other hand is more detailed. For classical music listening, I would agree that a natural and detailed headphone like DT660 is a good choice.

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These are better than the Shure SRH 1840 for classical music? If so, in what areas is it better? 

 

I bought these Shure SRH 1840 for classical music and if the DT660 are the best headphones for classical music, than I made a buyers mistake :(


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Most of the headphones on this thread are closed. I prefer open phones and listen, primarily to classical, with Sennheiser HD558s using an Aune T1 tube dac/amp. I want to move up but am looking for open phones which will sound great with classical (piano solo, baroque, vocal, but also big symphonic pieces). I don't want to upgrade the dac/amp at this time. Suggestions?
post #172 of 232
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Most of the headphones on this thread are closed. I prefer open phones and listen, primarily to classical, with Sennheiser HD558s using an Aune T1 tube dac/amp. I want to move up but am looking for open phones which will sound great with classical (piano solo, baroque, vocal, but also big symphonic pieces). I don't want to upgrade the dac/amp at this time. Suggestions?

 

What is your budget?  The best headphone for classical is the HD800, and while I agree the DT660s are very good with classical, they aren't close to the HD800 (though probably the best option for closed headphones).  The HD600s are pretty good.  The K702 anniversaries would be solid.  The HE-500s are superb all arounders, but I still think they need more air to be considered great with classical.

 

Even though they are closed, I think the DT660s hold up well to my other recommendations.

post #173 of 232
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What is your budget?  The best headphone for classical is the HD800, and while I agree the DT660s are very good with classical, they aren't close to the HD800 (though probably the best option for closed headphones).  The HD600s are pretty good.  The K702 anniversaries would be solid.  The HE-500s are superb all arounders, but I still think they need more air to be considered great with classical.

Even though they are closed, I think the DT660s hold up well to my other recommendations.

Thanks for your recommendations! The HD600 are in my range if I can get refurb or very good used. I gather that my Aune T1 should drive them well. I know that the DT660s are much recommended but I just prefer the feel of open phones.
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Thanks for your recommendations! The HD600 are in my range if I can get refurb or very good used. I gather that my Aune T1 should drive them well. I know that the DT660s are much recommended but I just prefer the feel of open phones.

 

You are welcome.  The HD600 (and HD650) are the most comfortable headphones I have ever worn, so there is also that bonus.

post #175 of 232
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These are better than the Shure SRH 1840 for classical music? If so, in what areas is it better? 

 

I bought these Shure SRH 1840 for classical music and if the DT660 are the best headphones for classical music, than I made a buyers mistake :(

Want to trade? :D

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Definitely HD800s are superb for classical music from baroque to contemporary modern. I was stunned when I listened to Tuur's Awakening by what I had never heard before. This modern work really tells you about the soundstage, pitch and dynamic ranges.

 

I want to get a pair of IEMs fo CIEMS for listening to classical music as being more portable than having to have a small AMP and Big Cans in addition to the A&K DAC, I actually like to use Cowan X7 as it has a much longer battery length and much shorter charging time than irivers Astell & Kern. *Sigh* 

 

I laid out for a pair of AKG3001s. I find them most uncomfortable and they hurt the bones on my maybe small ear canal or is it that they are a fraction larger with all their screw on filter bits than my much more comfortable but half broken Sony MDR X700s and old Shure number unknown. I worry that this bone hurt may happen with CIEMS as I have never tried them before? I also still after two weeks of burn in find the AKG treble sound for classical music shrill quite frankly compared to the HD800s. I certainly cannot recommend the AKG product.

 

I have been advised that UERM are best for classical music but still worry about comfort issues. Any advice on any issues?

post #177 of 232
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Originally Posted by R Scott Ireland View Post
 

I just had to share one of those audio Nirvana moments.

 

Since I only listen to classical, after reading this thread I picked up a pair of DT 660's.

 

One of my two portable listening setups is the ALO Rx-Mk3-B+ amp, fed FLAC files from a HiFiMan HM-602 DAP.  This combo sounded quite good with the 660's, very detailed, decent soundstaging and overall good choice for classical.  I gave it 8.5/10 on my personal evaluation system.

 

Then earlier this week I received an iBasso DX50.  So . . . I replaced the HM-602 with the DX50 - still using the RX-Mk3-B+ and the 660's.

 

Oh boy, this could very well be my endgame portable classical music listening system. All instruments sounded so precise and perfectly placed (medium-wide soundstage); the bass seemed just right - it was there only when it was supposed to be there (and strong when it was supposed to be strong).  The mids and highs had a beautiful musicality, yet sounded  totally accurate.  I was listening to Elgar's 1st symphony and ALL of the instruments sounded just right. It felt like sitting in row 12 in a big hall.  Anyway, I could go on rhapsodizing, but suffice it to say that the synergy with this setup is high.

 

I rated it a perfect 10/10, and I've only had that happen 2 other times - with HD800's + tube amp + Amperex pinched waist and Siemens CCa tubes.

 

By the way, the DX50 firmware is atrocious - uber-buggy, you can't have apostrophes in your filename (try copying a French Baroque album and renaming everything; what a treat), crashes a lot, doesn't read all the files, etc., etc, etc.  Anyway, the sound quality is great for classical and hopefully iBasso will eventually fix the firmware.

I think its very impressive that you were able to achieve a level of audio bliss with the DT660 so high for yourself.  Comparing it to the HD800 is actually very telling about how wonderful your experience with it has been.  Very happy to hear that.  It's definitely compelling.  I too really enjoy the Elgar symphonies - underrated!

 

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I got myself a pair of DT660 out of curiosity. Sadly, there is no auditioning for this headphone in my place.

 

This is my third closed back headphone. The other two are ATH-M50 and K550. Comfort-wise, I am a bit scared initially because I hear some say DT660 is uncomfortable. I would agree that the grip on the head was firm but loosened after a week. Comfort is not great but acceptable, probably better than M50 in my opinion.

 

Its sound is, as other say, natural and flat, to the extent that I would say it is boring. Bass is punchy but not boomy. Soundstage is way better than M50, and comparable to my open back headphones. Compared with K550, DT660 sounds warmer to me, or it may be because K550 is a bit on the bright side. But K550 is more engaging and interesting. DT660 on the other hand is more detailed. For classical music listening, I would agree that a natural and detailed headphone like DT660 is a good choice.

I'm glad you like them!

 

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These are better than the Shure SRH 1840 for classical music? If so, in what areas is it better? 

 

I bought these Shure SRH 1840 for classical music and if the DT660 are the best headphones for classical music, than I made a buyers mistake :(

I don't think so. I feel the SRH1840 is a better headphone overall, including for classical music.

 

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Definitely HD800s are superb for classical music from baroque to contemporary modern. I was stunned when I listened to Tuur's Awakening by what I had never heard before. This modern work really tells you about the soundstage, pitch and dynamic ranges.

 

I want to get a pair of IEMs fo CIEMS for listening to classical music as being more portable than having to have a small AMP and Big Cans in addition to the A&K DAC, I actually like to use Cowan X7 as it has a much longer battery length and much shorter charging time than irivers Astell & Kern. *Sigh* 

 

I laid out for a pair of AKG3001s. I find them most uncomfortable and they hurt the bones on my maybe small ear canal or is it that they are a fraction larger with all their screw on filter bits than my much more comfortable but half broken Sony MDR X700s and old Shure number unknown. I worry that this bone hurt may happen with CIEMS as I have never tried them before? I also still after two weeks of burn in find the AKG treble sound for classical music shrill quite frankly compared to the HD800s. I certainly cannot recommend the AKG product.

 

I have been advised that UERM are best for classical music but still worry about comfort issues. Any advice on any issues?

I can't guarantee you will the UERM comfortable.  It's all a matter of preference.  Over time, I got very used to acrylic custom shells, though they were not comfortable for me initially.  Of all manufacturers that I've dealt with thus far, I have had the best first time fitting experience with Ultimate Ears (the newer Ultimate Ears) and Westone, so that is definitely worth something to me

post #178 of 232
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Originally Posted by R Scott Ireland View Post
 

I just had to share one of those audio Nirvana moments.

 

Since I only listen to classical, after reading this thread I picked up a pair of DT 660's.

 

One of my two portable listening setups is the ALO Rx-Mk3-B+ amp, fed FLAC files from a HiFiMan HM-602 DAP.  This combo sounded quite good with the 660's, very detailed, decent soundstaging and overall good choice for classical.  I gave it 8.5/10 on my personal evaluation system.

 

Then earlier this week I received an iBasso DX50.  So . . . I replaced the HM-602 with the DX50 - still using the RX-Mk3-B+ and the 660's.

 

Oh boy, this could very well be my endgame portable classical music listening system. All instruments sounded so precise and perfectly placed (medium-wide soundstage); the bass seemed just right - it was there only when it was supposed to be there (and strong when it was supposed to be strong).  The mids and highs had a beautiful musicality, yet sounded  totally accurate.  I was listening to Elgar's 1st symphony and ALL of the instruments sounded just right. It felt like sitting in row 12 in a big hall.  Anyway, I could go on rhapsodizing, but suffice it to say that the synergy with this setup is high.

 

I rated it a perfect 10/10, and I've only had that happen 2 other times - with HD800's + tube amp + Amperex pinched waist and Siemens CCa tubes.

 

By the way, the DX50 firmware is atrocious - uber-buggy, you can't have apostrophes in your filename (try copying a French Baroque album and renaming everything; what a treat), crashes a lot, doesn't read all the files, etc., etc, etc.  Anyway, the sound quality is great for classical and hopefully iBasso will eventually fix the firmware.

 

A follow up:

 

iBasso changed their firmware to fix initial bugs (numerous), and I found it necessary to install it in order to use the player without constant errors and crashes.

 

Sadly, this changed the sound a bit (darker mids; slightly curtailed highs).  It is still very, very good, just not as good as when I made the above post. I guess I'll try some EQ to see if I can recapture the "magic".

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Scott I have used a Cowon X7 and A7K100 to deliver flac classical music files via ALO headphone amp to HD800 via Cardas cables and cannot imagine getting nay better more realistic concert gall sound as if I am sitting in Royal Festival Hall, etc. I recently bought a pair of ASK3003s to supplement my listening experience and although they deliver wonderful clarity they end up by sounding harsh and non concert natural to me. The HD wins naturally. Several AKG fanatics have debated the issue with me in another forum which resulted in me doing a rather longer test report on various items of classical repertoire. I attach it here for from

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Ah GermanGuy Just did my own little audio engineering job as you described above. I have several little bags full of tips not sure where they all came from, that is probably not the same as yours as I don't own UE. But found spongy black tips which I sued after removing in the inner plastic pipe core to use as your yellow rings. Um I also sued different white small tips I have from I know not what but where the top foldover makes them rise slightly higher than the AKG and they are slightly softer. I cut the over metal rings from I think some old grey coloured Sony or Shure tips. The overall result is good. I suspect mine sit even higher away than yours do form the original position. Comforrt feels good having listened to one disk. We will have to see if the comfort effect lasts. Thanks for the advice.

 

As to the sound. It may be better than before but that is hard to judge accurately. I had been listening to Peteris Vasks Violin Concerto Distant LIght" which is very contemporary and has some very high very soft violin, barely the slightest brush over the strings with Sennhiser HD800 using a portable ALO AMP and Cowon X7 flac file as source. I must admit the AKG was even clearer and more able to hear the slightest rasp as the violin fades away on topmost notes. The brightness of the sound may irritate over tiem I am not sure and I am not sure how older orchestral recordings with some heavy bass and massed cellos will sound. I am right now listening to Dvorak Symphony 7 with the Berlin Phil recorded some time ago Seems good but a little thinner and less warm in the sweep of strings than I recall, a bit brassy with high brass and the bass brass seems to lack something.Well now for the Eroica in a live recording by Van Bruggen and Orchestra of 18th century. Well this sounds good, if a tad brighter than I think it would in real life and would I be right in saying that it doesn't have some depth, by which I mean it is as if all the sound is been drawn together to some central point rather than a whole range being heard. Sven Tuur's Arkamine fares very well with wonderful clarity and detail required to appreciate this work. There is great depth and width in the sound

 

Tested for solo piano against Liszt Sonata played by Marc Andre Hamelin, the piano sounds very bright and percussive and lacks some reverberation or do I mean decay, it is almost as if the notes are cut short but that may be his playing style. I prefer by comparison what I am hearing from Zimerman, although the piano sounds more reverberant as a whole it seems flat I mean to lack depth, as if it is all on a flat wall spread out in front of me. But Howard Shelley playing Clementi comes out just a little too sharply for me. John McCabe playing Haydn sonata's piano also seems a touch too bright especially in treble phrases especially pizzicato, by this I mean it is more intense in quality than I think it would really sound.

 

The famous recording of Allegri's Misere with the young Roy Goodman as treble solo comes out tops every well, but yes the basses don't fare as well as they should. My favourite mezzo Lorraine Hunt is bright and clear but loses some of the warmth associated with her voice. Felicty Lott singing Reynaldo Hahn's L'heure exquisite sounds exquisite with piano clearly separated and to one side of the singer. Arvo Part sounds marvelous both with Paul Hillier including basses. Rachmaninov's Vespers sung by Latvian Radio Choir also comes across with great clarity but with again the brightness when the choir sings at full volume, probably sounding a little unnatural and lacking in warmth. Bartoli and Jaroussky's fairly new recording of Steffani is over the top bright and the trumpets seem to have some sharp sibilance at times and the the whole voice sound seems to lack depth.The earphones do full justice to the rich sounds of Schwarzkopf's rendition of Strauss Four Last Songs with occasional wobbles and flatness presumably the fault of the old recording. For me an old test favorite is Victoria's Requiem sung in Westminster Cathedral with its rich lover basses reverberating in the big sound space and the high boy sopranos. On the whole this recording fares very well with AKG. So does Junghandel's recent performance of Biber's Allelulujia Mass.And the AKG brings out every detail of Biber's scordatura in Holloways's playing of Sonata 3.

 

The Lindsay Quartet playing Haydn also end up by sounding a little sharper in upper registers than is natural, but nice and clear otherwise. The Hagen Quartet playing his Hunt Quartet make for a clear separation of instruments but some loud chords seem too bright although all the reverberation of the strings is there. While it is wonderfully clear, to me it sounds as if something has been cut out of the sounds or not allowed to appear. Carmignola's Vivaldi's Four Sesaons fares well Amandine Beyer's with baroque instruments can again be a tad sharp, although marvelous in detail.

 

So having bored you with a brief tour of some of my musical tastes as listened to on the AKG3003s, it seems in the final analysis they are very unforgiving of bad recordings which may end up by sounding flat or lacking depth, and that while they render every detail of the music especially trebles and high trebles with absolute and enchanting clarity, the sounds can become tiresome i its unflagging insistent brightness, and some piano recordings can sound harsh and percussive. Forgive my vague metaphorical terminological but I am not a technical or musical expert, although I have wide listening experience of recordings and live classical music in Europe from the earth shaking organ in Notre Dame to the full tutti of the LSO in the RFH and the wonderful warmth intimacy of De Los Angeles in the Wigmore Hall..

 

So thanks GermanGuy hopefully I can live with the AKG's now both comfort and sound quality seem improved. But I will need a break to something warmer and more forgiving for general listening. And I would suggest AKG do something about redesign to get rid of those sharp metallic cutting edges which may look smart in a photo advertisement but in reality are a pain. For us already owning them they could introduce some redesigned patch on the ear tips much like auto manufactures do recalls to fix faults. Can they retain the upper treble clarity while introducing a little more richness and depth in the bass which would make the full sound spectrum of orchestral works sound more natural? I don't know.

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This thread has several highlights, so thank you all very much. I have some new spins on older questions:

 

How good is DT660 for listening to baroque organ and to solo piano regardless of period?

 

How do they compare to the others you think are good for those and other keyboard instruments?

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