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post #46 of 109
Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

The fear of placebo having an effect on my hearing when it comes to higher end products is one of the main reasons why I'm trying to stay clear of spending more on the hobby.  :(  

Going from intel hd audio to the music streamer already wasn't that great of an increase in audio quality, but I felt the purchase was more than justified because it took away all the buzzing the internal amp creates when the computer is active.  We'll see how tube rolling turns out.


I took the test with the crappy 2.0 speakers that come stock with the 27 inch iMac, and there was a distinct difference in the way it sounded, and it was considerably more akin to the first pic than the second, although the space on left wasn't quite as great as right.  Driver mismatch?  Either way I can see how the test is geared for speakers setups now.  I wonder why the headphones sound so different.



I think I may have a theory explaining whats going on. The first time I took the test I used my Grado SR60is which are known for having decent detail and forward mids. I just came back and took the test again using a completely different animal (Sony XB 700) for headphones. The XB 700's have recessed mids and rolled off highs with a far wider sound stage then the Grado's and is a far warmer can with real deep slamming bass. Spatially the thumps were just slightly wider spaced apart due to the wider sound stage of the XB 700 but I was still able to pinpoint the drum positioning by far better with the Grado then with the Sony. The interesting thing about the Sony is the three most center thumps sounded slightly more closer together in perportion to it's sound stage then on the Grado but the Sony gave me far more separated thumps on the outer edges I'm guessing that's again due to its sound stage. Even though there was a slightly noticeable difference with the XB700's and I was able to come come closer to the second picture my final judgement still points to me hearing the first picture. My guess is headphones which are known to be neutral,detailed small sound stage and have more forward mids will give you a sound more akin to the first picture while warmer, cans with recessed mids and wide sound stage will start to lean more to the second picture.  Where am I going with this huge schpeal? The short of it is what your hear in the sound clip comes down to the drivers in your headphones and how they've been tuned to handle the frequencies. I'm curious what a AKG 702 would sound like using this test. Considering it's known for being treble happy and has a huge sound stage coupled with high detail the results might be interesting.


Of coarse this is just a theory. I could just be blowing smoke out of my butt not knowing what I'm talking about. biggrin.gif


Edited by DigitalFreak - 6/17/11 at 9:17pm
post #47 of 109

As a last resort, I took my astro mixamp and hooked it up to the music streamer.  First I tried my AD700s with dolby processing on.  Sure enough, the drum spacing looked more like image 1, and all were equally spaced apart.  I felt the extreme sounds of the first and last drums were more smoothed out to mesh better with the rest of the drums, while the inner ones were more spaced out.  The extreme depths in the soundstage of the first and last drum hits weren't there, but the soundstage as a whole was very external sounding, and it felt as though the drums reverberated to the front and over my head, all equally spaced apart.  Next I tried the DT990/600.  It won't be properly driven, but sufficient volume could be achieved anyways.  Its soundstage with dolby headphone wasnt as deed as the AD700, but accuracy was about the same, and the drums seemed to be a bit closer to me.  Again all the drums were spaced out.



Something like this: DT990/600 w/o dolby headphones at top, AD700 w/ dolby headphpones in middle, and DT990 w/ dolby headphones at bottom.drumhits.jpg

post #48 of 109

First graph on my SR60i's. Kinda expected it to sound like the second graph.

post #49 of 109

Using the 225i + TBH I easily heard the first graph. 

post #50 of 109

AKG K702 plugged directly into iMac - definitely second; the first and the last kicks are much farther apart from the rest. I suggest listening several times as at fists I also though it's closer to the first graph...



post #51 of 109

AD900s plugged into an Essence STX, it sounds like the second picture, when I turn Dolby on it moves the drums farther away and gives me image 1.

post #52 of 109

I hear the 2nd.


foobar2k > Auzentech Prelude optical out > Spitfire DAC > Arietta > PRO 900


MS1 same thing.

Edited by silverbox - 6/18/11 at 12:42am
post #53 of 109

Hmmm... interresting. 


Mac Book Pro --> Optical --> LiTe DAC --> Concerto --> SR325i I hear the first one clearly. 




Mac Book Pro --> Optical --> LiTe DAC --> Concerto --> HD650 I am closer to the second one. 


Turning ON Cross Feed on the Concerto equals the distance between the drums and thus becomes closer to the second one. 

post #54 of 109

Audirvana on MacBookPro -> Optical into NuForce icon HDP DAC -> RCA into Schiit Asgard -> Sennheiser HD598

Closer to 2nd picture, most left and most right have larger distance than the middle ones.


Same setup with icon HDP as DAC and amp -> same result


Both tests done with Ultrasone Pro750 -> same result


Hope it helps,


post #55 of 109
Definitely the second one. In the process of moving, so not all my gear is set up.

Audio-gd Ref1 --> Roc --> Hd650
post #56 of 109

With my $20 headphones, i'm glad that I hear either

post #57 of 109

Koss Porta Pros




All hooked to my XPS M1530, my better setup is not available. With all of the above I hear the second image, although with 595 the hits were further apart, and 650 sounded the closest to the first image of the bunch, but still the first and last hits are L/R hard panned. I find it hard to believe that people hear the first image on headphones with those hard panned samples.


Using Isone Pro all headphones clearly recreate image 1. Still, I don't prefer using it during listening sessions.

post #58 of 109

When plugged into my setup, all of my headphones sound like the 2nd graph.


When plugged straight into the PC's headphone jack, they become the 1st.


My guess is that my amplification modifies the sound positioning somewhere (which is reasonable, as I have a known "coloring" amp instead of a "clear" one).

post #59 of 109

Come to think of it, hearing the first example sounds like evidence of crosstalk between channels.

post #60 of 109

I hear the first example.


And, believe it or not, I was listening to it with a Creative Tactic 3D Sigma headset and using the THX USB sound card that came with them.

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