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post #16 of 59
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Originally Posted by Dougeefresh View Post

You know you are not buying a ring of foam. You buy a SHEET of foam, take the white plastic adaptor out from the existing pad, trace the ring shaped outline then cut. You can buy the foam from an art supply store. Isn't Paris the city of art? ;)

 

Oh i know that, but they didn't have any sheets either (small-ish store) and no idea where to find it in paris lol

 

(you should see what they call "art" ) lol :D

 

What are the sheets of foam used for anyway?
 

 

 

post #17 of 59
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I have absolutely no idea what they are for rolleyes.gif but they are really easy to get.

http://www.amazon.com/Fibrecraft-2mm-Foam-Sheets-Multi-Color/dp/B0026HY2U4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1330714267&sr=8-8

 

You can use pretty much anything that's dense and pliable enough so rubber sheets should be just fine.

I just used the foam sheet because it's easier to cut, light, and soft.

post #18 of 59
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I have absolutely no idea what they are for rolleyes.gif but they are really easy to get.

http://www.amazon.com/Fibrecraft-2mm-Foam-Sheets-Multi-Color/dp/B0026HY2U4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1330714267&sr=8-8

 

You can use pretty much anything that's dense and pliable enough so rubber sheets should be just fine.

I just used the foam sheet because it's easier to cut, light, and soft.


hmm - will look around now :D

Something like this?

 

 

post #19 of 59

This is what I used (3 rings):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00284NN82

post #20 of 59
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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post


hmm - will look around now :D

Something like this?

 

 


Photo's not showing up but from the description, that seems like the one.

Good old ebay comes through again tongue.gif

 

post #21 of 59
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Which of thse headphones D2000, D500-, D7000 has the smoothest... Least exagerated treble? I had some D2000 but the treble was too much for me.... I am considering some D5000 or D7000 for a pair of closed cans.... Which of thise two has the best treble and how does it compare to the D2000?

 

Never heard of D2K or D5K so can't comment on those but I don't believe D7Ks have exaggerate treble at all. They sound quite balanced up top with a hint of bass heaviness.

That's why they are considered one of the best all-arounders.

I did hear that D5K and D7K are quite different in sound? There is really long thread about D7K so you may want to check that out.
 



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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

Wow, now I know what I'm trying tonight!

 

Tried it, and...wow. The balance doesn't seem too different (it seems to have more sparkly highs, and can be quite a bit more sibilant, nothing a small EQ change can't fix), slightly stronger clamp from the headband (which is nothing anyways), and I need to pop the volume up a notch or two. But the soundstage is impressive. It's finally completely detached from my head. Headphones always sounded like speakers next to your ears, the denons stock seem like speakers further away from your ears but still felt like they had some connection to you. With this mod, the sound sounds and feels completely disconnected. It's very impressive! I may try fiddling with the mod a tad, as I seem to have sibilance issues.

 

I did the same mod as Magick, 3 2mm dense foam sheets (same sheets).

 

EDIT: Got toooooo sibilant, brought it down to 1 2mm foam.


That surprises me. The only noticeable change I heard on mine, other than the huge sound stage, is the bass in a way you all described, slightly less but tighter.

I hope I am not getting too old to hear the top frequencies tongue.gif

 

 

post #22 of 59
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Originally Posted by Dougeefresh View Post


Photo's not showing up but from the description, that seems like the one.

Good old ebay comes through again tongue.gif

 


hehehe - will try the rubber mod first though lol - well see if the diameter is the same.

If not, then ebay it is.

 

 

post #23 of 59
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Originally Posted by Dougeefresh View Post


That surprises me. The only noticeable change I heard on mine, other than the huge sound stage, is the bass in a way you all described, slightly less but tighter.

I hope I am not getting too old to hear the top frequencies tongue.gif

 

 

It got pretty damn sibilant, where songs that normally were never sibilant became sibilant. Listen to Sleep by The Roots, and see if you can heat sibilance (that song is sibilant even without the foam mod).
I've always had a *small* problem with sibilance with the D7k's in a few songs, but with 3 pads it became sibilant in far more songs. With 1 it went back to normal, but the soundstage wasn't nearly as huge.

 

I may try gluing them together. I can't imagine it making a difference, but it seems to be the only difference between my setup and Magick's.

post #24 of 59
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

It got pretty damn sibilant, where songs that normally were never sibilant became sibilant. Listen to Sleep by The Roots, and see if you can heat sibilance (that song is sibilant even without the foam mod).
I've always had a *small* problem with sibilance with the D7k's in a few songs, but with 3 pads it became sibilant in far more songs. With 1 it went back to normal, but the soundstage wasn't nearly as huge.

 

I may try gluing them together. I can't imagine it making a difference, but it seems to be the only difference between my setup and Magick's.



Your ears must be really sensitive to sibilance as I never thought the original D7K are sibilant at all. They sound perfect to my ears.

I can see that the bass being pulled back slightly may have caused the other frequencies to seem "come out" a bit.

I agree, gluing won't do anything. However, you may want to angle the pads to see if that changes anything.

post #25 of 59
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Originally Posted by Dougeefresh View Post

I agree, gluing won't do anything. However, you may want to angle the pads to see if that changes anything.


I just tried it, and I may want to hug you now. ;)

I left one ring whole in there, and I took a second ring and cut it in half. I placed both halves in the back to make 1 in the front, and 3 in the back.

The result? The extra sibilance is almost all gone, and whats left is *easily* EQable. I only listened for a minute, but so far its sounding good! I'll update once I listen to a bunch more music.

post #26 of 59

Lol I did this recently on my new Denons before I saw this thread. I was looking at the Markl mod and I couldn't find any polyester stuffing available so I just cut long strips from foam sponges and stuffed them with it lol. I'm not sure it made a big difference in the sound stage though.

post #27 of 59
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I just tried it, and I may want to hug you now. ;)

I left one ring whole in there, and I took a second ring and cut it in half. I placed both halves in the back to make 1 in the front, and 3 in the back.

The result? The extra sibilance is almost all gone, and whats left is *easily* EQable. I only listened for a minute, but so far its sounding good! I'll update once I listen to a bunch more music.



LOL, good to hear. I think angling the pad is a proper way to go as raising the pads does change the audio path a bit but again my ears can't tell.

post #28 of 59
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Which of thse headphones D2000, D500-, D7000 has the smoothest... Least exagerated treble? I had some D2000 but the treble was too much for me.... I am considering some D5000 or D7000 for a pair of closed cans.... Which of thise two has the best treble and how does it compare to the D2000?

Most relaxed treble? D5000s, IMO.
post #29 of 59
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

It got pretty damn sibilant, where songs that normally were never sibilant became sibilant. Listen to Sleep by The Roots, and see if you can heat sibilance (that song is sibilant even without the foam mod).

I've always had a *small* problem with sibilance with the D7k's in a few songs, but with 3 pads it became sibilant in far more songs. With 1 it went back to normal, but the soundstage wasn't nearly as huge.

I may try gluing them together. I can't imagine it making a difference, but it seems to be the only difference between my setup and Magick's.

Yeah, I rubber cemented the rings together, never tried it without.
post #30 of 59

I wonder why I'm the only one that noticed the sibilance. :/

Well, at least it's fixed mostly with the angled mod. :D

 

Oh man, Bon Iver right now. So good!

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